From jabfield at shaw.ca Mon Mar 1 15:39:41 2010 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Mon Mar 1 15:39:42 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Glasshouses Message-ID: <4B8C503D.8030505@shaw.ca> I love this http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/GI.20100301.escenic_1485401/GIStory/ Microsoft accusing Google of uncompetitive practices! They say, "people that live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones" John From p.willis at telus.net Mon Mar 1 20:01:26 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Mon Mar 1 20:01:26 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Glasshouses In-Reply-To: <4B8C503D.8030505@shaw.ca> References: <4B8C503D.8030505@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4B8C8D96.2080204@telus.net> That link doesn't do anything in firefox... Is it a subscription thing? John Blomfield wrote: > I love this > http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/GI.20100301.escenic_1485401/GIStory/ > Microsoft accusing Google of uncompetitive practices! They say, "people > that live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones" > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From kmurray at gmail.com Mon Mar 1 20:21:14 2010 From: kmurray at gmail.com (Ken Murray) Date: Mon Mar 1 20:21:42 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Glasshouses In-Reply-To: <4B8C8D96.2080204@telus.net> References: <4B8C503D.8030505@shaw.ca> <4B8C8D96.2080204@telus.net> Message-ID: On 1 March 2010 20:01, pwillis wrote: > That link doesn't do anything in firefox... > Is it a subscription thing? Try http://bit.ly/d4F3uH -- Ken echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlb xq |dc From p.willis at telus.net Mon Mar 1 20:46:10 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Mon Mar 1 20:46:12 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Glasshouses In-Reply-To: References: <4B8C503D.8030505@shaw.ca> <4B8C8D96.2080204@telus.net> Message-ID: <4B8C9812.6010708@telus.net> Hmmmm.... I don't know if I should try that link or not. It's kind of like opening an executable....O.K. :| AAARRRRGGGG!!!!!!!!................... Ken Murray wrote: > On 1 March 2010 20:01, pwillis wrote: >> That link doesn't do anything in firefox... >> Is it a subscription thing? > > Try http://bit.ly/d4F3uH > > From jabfield at shaw.ca Mon Mar 1 22:01:08 2010 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Mon Mar 1 22:01:10 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Glasshouses In-Reply-To: <4B8C8D96.2080204@telus.net> References: <4B8C503D.8030505@shaw.ca> <4B8C8D96.2080204@telus.net> Message-ID: <4B8CA9A4.5080401@shaw.ca> Its probably changed with today's edition of the globe and mail. On 01/03/10 20:01, pwillis wrote: > That link doesn't do anything in firefox... > Is it a subscription thing? > > > John Blomfield wrote: >> I love this >> http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/GI.20100301.escenic_1485401/GIStory/ >> >> Microsoft accusing Google of uncompetitive practices! They say, "people >> that live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones" >> >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From linux at grizzly-media.com Tue Mar 2 06:19:23 2010 From: linux at grizzly-media.com (Jan Felix Krutsch) Date: Tue Mar 2 06:30:35 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Problem with Kmail Message-ID: <201003021519.23834.linux@grizzly-media.com> Hi all, I have a problem with Kmail in Debian 5.02 with KDE 3. After I canceled the sending of an eMail because it did not continue to upload, the mail remained in the outbox and it was not possible to move it to the trash. The "moving to trash" command was and gets still just ignored - no error message or anything. If I select "move to trash" it get's strikethrough (or crossed out how ever it's correct to say in english) but if I select a different folder and get back to outbox it's without the line through and nothing was happening. I went to /home/username/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/outbox/cur and deleted the file (that email - there was no other mail in outbox at that time) there but without success. There is still an email remaining in outbox without any information: No Text, Subject - unknown, Sender - unknown, Receiver - unknown and Date - unknown. It isn't possible to move it to the trash and is blocking the sending of any other email. I have no clue why it got stuck there in the first place, never had this problem ever before. Does anyone know where the info about this mail is stored and how I can remove it? Felix -- __________________________________________________________________ > Always remember you are unique - just like everyone else. From rgsteele at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 09:20:51 2010 From: rgsteele at gmail.com (Ryan Steele) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:27:30 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Problem with Kmail In-Reply-To: <201003021519.23834.linux@grizzly-media.com> References: <201003021519.23834.linux@grizzly-media.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Jan Felix Krutsch wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a problem with Kmail in Debian 5.02 with KDE 3. > > After I canceled the sending of an eMail because it did not continue to > upload, the mail remained in the outbox and it was not possible to move it to > the trash. The "moving to trash" command was and gets still just ignored - no > error message or anything. If I select "move to trash" it get's strikethrough > (or crossed out how ever it's correct to say in english) but if I select a > different folder and get back to outbox it's without the line through and > nothing was happening. > I went to /home/username/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/outbox/cur and deleted the > file (that email - there was no other mail in outbox at that time) there but > without success. > There is still an email remaining in outbox without any information: > No Text, Subject - unknown, Sender - unknown, Receiver - unknown and Date - > unknown. > It isn't possible to move it to the trash and is blocking the sending of any > other email. > I have no clue why it got stuck there in the first place, never had this > problem ever before. > Does anyone know where the info about this mail is stored and how I can remove > it? Hi Felix, I'm not familiar with Kmail but it sounds like you need to rebuild the index. Have a look at the following FAQ entry: http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips#Problem:_You_are_losing_mail -- Ryan Steele - rgsteele@gmail.com From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Sat Mar 6 15:55:54 2010 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon Craig) Date: Sat Mar 6 15:55:55 2010 Subject: [Discuss] problems with Linux Mint 8 install Message-ID: <1267919754.3366.5.camel@patty> I've installed Linux Mint 8 and have two problems (so far!): First, despite the fact that I specifically chose the joint install, I can't get LM 7 to boot; 8 works fine itself, but can't get 7 up. I need to get the old files off it to put into 8. (part of the problem may be that 8 is using Gnome and 7 uses Kde 4.3) Second problem is that I can't figure out how to get permission to post programs on the desktop. I just get a flat Permission Denied.Do I have to go into the binary files and ok each and every program I want on the desktop, or is there a flat permission granted I can get? Any help on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Gord Craig From jordan at jordanmoffatt.com Sat Mar 6 16:30:50 2010 From: jordan at jordanmoffatt.com (Jordan Moffatt) Date: Sat Mar 6 16:30:51 2010 Subject: [Discuss] problems with Linux Mint 8 install In-Reply-To: <1267919754.3366.5.camel@patty> References: <1267919754.3366.5.camel@patty> Message-ID: I'm looking for sherard Moffatt. Can someone pass my email address to him? Anything worth having is worth fighting for ! On 2010-03-06, at 3:55 PM, Gordon Craig wrote: > I've installed Linux Mint 8 and have two problems (so far!): > First, despite the fact that I specifically chose the joint install, I > can't get LM 7 to boot; 8 works fine itself, but can't get 7 up. I > need > to get the old files off it to put into 8. (part of the problem may be > that 8 is using Gnome and 7 uses Kde 4.3) > Second problem is that I can't figure out how to get permission to > post > programs on the desktop. I just get a flat Permission Denied.Do I have > to go into the binary files and ok each and every program I want on > the > desktop, or is there a flat permission granted I can get? Any help on > either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. > > Gord Craig > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From jabfield at shaw.ca Sun Mar 7 14:16:56 2010 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Sun Mar 7 14:16:57 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Vlug March 9th. Meeting Message-ID: <4B9425D8.9060006@shaw.ca> Due to illness and other pressing commitments two of this month's speakers are unable to give their presentations. All three presentations "Showcasing favourite Linux distributions" will be postponed until the April Meeting. On Tuesday, March 9th. we will fall back on a "Question and Answer" session trying to troubleshoot any Linux problems. Anyone attending who wants to give a short or long talk of course is also welcome to do so. Hope to see you all there. John Blomfield From Nixnik-sneaking at snkmail.com Sun Mar 7 18:41:51 2010 From: Nixnik-sneaking at snkmail.com (Patrick) Date: Sun Mar 7 18:54:39 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Vlug March 9th. Meeting In-Reply-To: <4B9425D8.9060006@shaw.ca> References: <4B9425D8.9060006@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20100307184151.72148039@t42> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:16:56 -0800 John Blomfield wrote: > Due to illness and other pressing commitments two of this month's > speakers are unable to give their presentations. All three > presentations "Showcasing favourite Linux distributions" will be > postponed until the April Meeting. > > On Tuesday, March 9th. we will fall back on a "Question and Answer" > session trying to troubleshoot any Linux problems. Anyone attending who > wants to give a short or long talk of course is also welcome to do so. Schedule permitting, maybe I can give a brief talk about avidemux, a multimedia encoder/decoder with basic editing functions. It seems to work well under Xubuntu 9.04, although I did have some trouble with the same program [possibly an older version] under the Asus EEE's Xandros Linux -- package installed from Debian Etch repositories. Otherwise, the EEE has been pretty compatible with Etch. > > Hope to see you all there. I hope so too. > > John Blomfield Patrick. -- People love high ideals, but they got to be about 33-percent plausible. -- The Best of Will Rogers From jabfield at shaw.ca Sun Mar 7 20:40:26 2010 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Sun Mar 7 20:40:28 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Vlug March 9th. Meeting In-Reply-To: <20100307184151.72148039@t42> References: <4B9425D8.9060006@shaw.ca> <20100307184151.72148039@t42> Message-ID: <4B947FBA.2020502@shaw.ca> Thanks Patrick, that would be great! John On 07/03/10 18:41, Patrick wrote: > On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:16:56 -0800 > John Blomfield wrote: > > >> Due to illness and other pressing commitments two of this month's >> speakers are unable to give their presentations. All three >> presentations "Showcasing favourite Linux distributions" will be >> postponed until the April Meeting. >> >> On Tuesday, March 9th. we will fall back on a "Question and Answer" >> session trying to troubleshoot any Linux problems. Anyone attending who >> wants to give a short or long talk of course is also welcome to do so. >> > Schedule permitting, maybe I can give a brief talk about > avidemux, a multimedia encoder/decoder with basic editing > functions. It seems to work well under Xubuntu 9.04, although I > did have some trouble with the same program [possibly an older > version] under the Asus EEE's Xandros Linux -- package installed > from Debian Etch repositories. > > Otherwise, the EEE has been pretty compatible with Etch. > > >> Hope to see you all there. >> > I hope so too. > > > >> John Blomfield >> > Patrick. > From bsirna at shaw.ca Wed Mar 10 08:50:19 2010 From: bsirna at shaw.ca (brent sirna) Date: Wed Mar 10 08:50:21 2010 Subject: [Discuss] solution to camera not mounting in mint/ubuntu linux Message-ID: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> Hello everyone, Last night their was a problem about digital cameras not being able to download their images. I found this solution on the Ubuntu web site. > Hi folks > > With a fresh install of intrepid there is no > System-->Preferences--> Removable Devices and Media > > after some hunting I found that this is now in NAUTILUS, under > Edit--> Preferences --> Media tab > > You can change the photos drop down to a different program. Only problem is that under 'open with other application' and then custom command, you can't put a whole command in - only a single appliction > To get round this I did: > create file in home folder called 'get-photos' > containing #!/bin/bash gvfs-mount -s gphoto2 gthumb --import-photos > >then do $ chmod +x get-photos > then back in nautilus 'open with other applicaition' 'custom command', use the command /home/username-/get-photos > > Bosh! fixed I had to make a small change to the script to make it work on my system. #!/bin/bash gvfs-mount -s gphoto2 sleep 2 gthumb --import-photos My system seems to take awhile to unmount the camera before it loads gthumb. So if the orginal script doesn't work for you then try my modification. Brent From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Wed Mar 10 13:18:23 2010 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon Craig) Date: Wed Mar 10 13:18:25 2010 Subject: [Discuss] solution to camera not mounting in mint/ubuntu linux In-Reply-To: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1268255903.4305.1.camel@patty> Thanks Brent When I get really really brave I'll go into Term and try this fix! Seriously thanks again for a good effort. I've printed your letter out for future reference! Gordon. From wmstrome at shaw.ca Wed Mar 10 13:22:40 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Wed Mar 10 13:22:42 2010 Subject: [Discuss] GIMP Help Message-ID: I have the GIMP Help installed, but when I click on help, it says it cannot find the GIMP Help Browser. I can use Firefox instead, but I would be interested in finding/installing the GIMP Help Browser Plug-in. Also, I know that there is (or used to be) a way to view the image (e.g. EXIF) information within GIMP. I think it was View EXIF under the File Menu, but don't see anything for that under File or any of the other any top menu. In general, it is not clear to me how to install new plug-ins for GIMP unless they are in the repository (I am using Kubuntu 9.10). The version of GIMP is 2.6 (the Help files are for 2.4). My Google searches have not helped me. Thanks for any help. Murray From wmstrome at shaw.ca Wed Mar 10 13:26:10 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Wed Mar 10 13:26:12 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information Message-ID: I would like to edit EXIF (and other such as IPTC) information (or create it in the case of scanned photos or images sent to me). I have found two programs to do this from the command line: xiv2 and exiftools I find the man pages for both to be quite confusing. I would really like a GUI tool to do this. I have found references to some that no longer exist and to others that are Windows only. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks. Murray From bsirna at shaw.ca Wed Mar 10 14:04:37 2010 From: bsirna at shaw.ca (brent sirna) Date: Wed Mar 10 14:04:39 2010 Subject: [Discuss] solution to camera not mounting in mint/ubuntu linux In-Reply-To: <1268255903.4305.1.camel@patty> References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> <1268255903.4305.1.camel@patty> Message-ID: <4B981775.1040409@shaw.ca> Gordon Craig wrote: > Thanks Brent > > When I get really really brave I'll go into Term and try this fix! > Seriously thanks again for a good effort. I've printed your letter out > for future reference! > > Gordon. > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > Hi Gordon, You don't need the command line to try this fix. You can use gedit to create the file and Nautilus to change the permissions so that the file is executable. Brent From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Wed Mar 10 15:35:21 2010 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon Craig) Date: Wed Mar 10 15:35:24 2010 Subject: [Discuss] solution to camera not mounting in mint/ubuntu linux In-Reply-To: <4B981775.1040409@shaw.ca> References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> <1268255903.4305.1.camel@patty> <4B981775.1040409@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1268264121.2354.0.camel@patty> OK Brent: I'll give it a try. Gordon. From p.willis at telus.net Wed Mar 10 17:00:48 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Wed Mar 10 17:00:50 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9840C0.40808@telus.net> Maybe use jhead. P Murray Strome wrote: > I would like to edit EXIF (and other such as IPTC) information (or create it in the case of scanned photos or images sent to me). I have found two programs to do this from the command line: > xiv2 and exiftools > > I find the man pages for both to be quite confusing. I would really like a GUI tool to do this. I have found references to some that no longer exist and to others that are Windows only. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > Murray > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From wmstrome at shaw.ca Wed Mar 10 17:25:38 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Wed Mar 10 17:25:45 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information In-Reply-To: <4B9840C0.40808@telus.net> References: <4B9840C0.40808@telus.net> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: pwillis Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 17:00 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information To: discuss@vlug.org > Maybe use jhead. > jhead is command line only, and while it lists the EXIF information, it does not provide any EXIF editing capabilities (at least not as far as I can see). Also, I don't see any GUI for it. Murray From p.willis at telus.net Wed Mar 10 20:27:17 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Wed Mar 10 20:27:19 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information In-Reply-To: References: <4B9840C0.40808@telus.net> Message-ID: <4B987125.6090005@telus.net> jhead can be used to modify jpeg EXIF headers. Here's a GUI. http://marginalhacks.com/Hacks/album/tools/TKAlbum/ P Murray Strome wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pwillis > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 17:00 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information > To: discuss@vlug.org > >> Maybe use jhead. >> > jhead is command line only, and while it lists the EXIF information, it does not provide any EXIF editing capabilities (at least not as far as I can see). Also, I don't see any GUI for it. > > Murray > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From lggagnon at uniserve.com Thu Mar 11 12:16:42 2010 From: lggagnon at uniserve.com (Larry Gagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:22:26 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Removing logo from boot of LCD monitor Message-ID: I recently purchased a 24" Philips LCD monitor, it is terrific, but one thing which annoys me is that at power on the monitor flashes a very bright blue Philips logo for about 2-3 seconds. I find it very annoying. There is no option in the OSD menu to turn this off and I assume there is some boot ROM in the circuit which displays this logo, so there may not be an option to remove this logo. I have also been to the Philips website and the monitor manual but no joy there. Any ideas as to whether this can somehow be removed? Larry From wmstrome at shaw.ca Thu Mar 11 13:47:17 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Thu Mar 11 13:47:19 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Removing logo from boot of LCD monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would be VERY surprised to learn of a way to eliminate the boot logo (I presume that this comes up even when the computer is turned off and disconnected). It seems to be common practice of LCD monitor manufacturers to show their logo's when the monitor is first turned on. If you find a way to eliminate it, I am sure it would apply to other monitors and everyone would be interested.? Of course, you could just cover it with your jacket for a few seconds when you first turn it on! Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Gagnon Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:22 Subject: [Discuss] Removing logo from boot of LCD monitor To: "discuss@vlug.org" > I recently purchased a 24" Philips LCD monitor, it is terrific, > but one? > thing which annoys me is that at power on the monitor flashes a > very? > bright blue Philips logo for about 2-3 seconds. I find it very > annoying.? > There is no option in the OSD menu to turn this off and I assume > there is? > some boot ROM in the circuit which displays this logo, so there > may not be? > an option to remove this logo. I have also been to the Philips > website and? > the monitor manual but no joy there. Any ideas as to whether > this can? > somehow be removed? > > Larry From p.willis at telus.net Sat Mar 13 08:34:29 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Sat Mar 13 08:34:36 2010 Subject: [Discuss] ebook management software for linux (includes sony personal reader) Message-ID: <4B9BBE95.7030002@telus.net> ebook management software. http://calibre-ebook.com/ Anyone have any other suggestions for the Sony personal reader? P From wmstrome at shaw.ca Sat Mar 13 17:25:18 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Sat Mar 13 17:25:20 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information In-Reply-To: <4B987125.6090005@telus.net> References: <4B9840C0.40808@telus.net> <4B987125.6090005@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the information.? I installed all of the prerequisites and followed all the other instructions. However, when I type "tkalbum", I get a whole bunch of installation errors of the form: The program "" seems to be installed but the version number is not accessible. Perhaps it is a different progra with the same name. The call " v on linux This is followed by all the details, like author, etc. in the above is a substitute for the following which give this message: album convert (ImageMagick) mogrify (ImageMagick) If I continue with the installation anyway, I most of the items on the tool bar are greyed out, and I cannot modify any of the EXIF data fields. >From the description of the program, it is really designed specifically for creating HTML Albums. If I could get the EXIF editing capability to actually work, I guess it might be useful. However, as it is at this stage, it is not hepful at all. I have no problem VIEWING EXIF information, it is changing that is a problem for me. Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: pwillis Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 20:27 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information To: discuss@vlug.org > > jhead can be used to modify jpeg EXIF headers. > > Here's a GUI. > > http://marginalhacks.com/Hacks/album/tools/TKAlbum/ > > P > > From wmstrome at shaw.ca Sun Mar 14 11:33:37 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Sun Mar 14 11:33:40 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information In-Reply-To: References: <4B9840C0.40808@telus.net> <4B987125.6090005@telus.net> Message-ID: Editing EXIF information:???? PROBLEM SOLVED -- two ways. exiftool: I found the man pages pretty daunting! However, by printing them out so I could read them more easily (22 pages, small print), plus looking at the EXIF creation date in another program, I was able to figure out how to add a creation date to a file that did not have one. ----------- tkalbum problem:? I am guessing that when the program starts, it normally checks the versions of the programs it uses (e.g. album, convert, morgrify (last two from ImageMagick) against some specific version which must have been pretty old!? I could not find the place where this would have been checked in the tkabum script.? However, I found that I could disable the installation check on startup through the options>general settings. Once I did this, all the buttons on the top are active, and I was able to add/modify the creation date without difficulty. --------- I imagine that someone who is adept at Perl programming could write a very neat GUI for simply modifying EXIF data. I am quite surprised that I could not find one for LINUX (although there appear to be several for Windows). I appreciate the suggestion of looking more closely at TKAlbum. From its description (which is to do a LOT more than I need, and which would appear to be to create HTML Photo Albums), I would not have thought of trying it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray Strome Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010 17:25 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information To: discuss@vlug.org > Thanks for the information.? I installed all of the > prerequisites and followed all the other instructions. However, > when I type "tkalbum", I get a whole bunch of installation > errors of the form: > The program "" seems to be installed but the > version number is not accessible. Perhaps it is a different > progra with the same name. > The call " This is v on linux > This is followed by all the details, like author, etc. > in the above is a substitute for the following > which give this message: > album > convert (ImageMagick) > mogrify (ImageMagick) > > If I continue with the installation anyway, I most of the items > on the tool bar are greyed out, and I cannot modify any of the > EXIF data fields. > > >From the description of the program, it is really designed > specifically for creating HTML Albums. If I could get the EXIF > editing capability to actually work, I guess it might be useful. > However, as it is at this stage, it is not hepful at all. I have > no problem VIEWING EXIF information, it is changing that is a > problem for me. > > Murray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pwillis > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 20:27 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information > To: discuss@vlug.org > > > > > jhead can be used to modify jpeg EXIF headers. > > > > Here's a GUI. > > > > http://marginalhacks.com/Hacks/album/tools/TKAlbum/ > > > > P From wmstrome at shaw.ca Mon Mar 15 05:05:08 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Mon Mar 15 05:05:10 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information In-Reply-To: References: <4B9840C0.40808@telus.net> <4B987125.6090005@telus.net> Message-ID: UPDATE: After fooling around with all of these things, I found problems with both exiftool and TKAlbum.? The biggest problem with TKAlbum is that the allowed date range for dates is 1990-2010. Some of my photos were taken long before 1990, and it won't be of much use after the end of this year unless someone modifies it. The problem I have with exiftool is that the changes in date don't seem to be where other programs look for it. I have (tentatively) come to the conclusion that jhead is probably the best solution for me at this time, even though it means struggling with understanding the man pages and command lines. One big problem seems to be that most image editing programs mess up the EXIF information in one way or another! Thanks for suggestions. Murray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pwillis > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 20:27 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information > To: discuss@vlug.org > > > > > jhead can be used to modify jpeg EXIF headers. > > > > Here's a GUI. > > > > http://marginalhacks.com/Hacks/album/tools/TKAlbum/ > > > > P From p.willis at telus.net Mon Mar 15 08:36:17 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Mon Mar 15 08:36:25 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information Message-ID: <17611218.386607.1268667377728.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Hello Murray, You can fix the Year problem in TKAlbum by editing 'tkalbum.tcl' prior to install. Find the following line and add additional years prior to 1990 and post 2010: tk_optionMenu $w.date.yrv NYear 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 \ 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 \ 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 The back slashes are line continuations just like in the shell. That should get you up and running with TKAlbum. Peter On Mar 15, 2010, Murray Strome wrote: UPDATE: After fooling around with all of these things, I found problems with both exiftool and TKAlbum.? The biggest problem with TKAlbum is that the allowed date range for dates is 1990-2010. Some of my photos were taken long before 1990, and it won't be of much use after the end of this year unless someone modifies it. The problem I have with exiftool is that the changes in date don't seem to be where other programs look for it. I have (tentatively) come to the conclusion that jhead is probably the best solution for me at this time, even though it means struggling with understanding the man pages and command lines. One big problem seems to be that most image editing programs mess up the EXIF information in one way or another! Thanks for suggestions. Murray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pwillis > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 20:27 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Edit EXIF Information > To: discuss@vlug.org > > > > > jhead can be used to modify jpeg EXIF headers. > > > > Here's a GUI. > > > > http://marginalhacks.com/Hacks/album/tools/TKAlbum/ > > > > P _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@vlug.org http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From bakshi12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 16 07:57:33 2010 From: bakshi12 at gmail.com (J. Bakshi) Date: Tue Mar 16 08:11:48 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? Message-ID: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> Dear list, Please help me to solve my confusion. I like to install debin squeeze on a box equipped with dual core 64 bit intel processor. But I have not found any X86-64 .iso for squeeze but the amd64 and ia64 .iso Where are the x86-64 variant ? I am also searching the following squeeze repo for x86_64 [1] skype [2] google chrome [3] opera [4] sun java Any suggestion is very much helpful. Thanks From drew.kay at gmail.com Tue Mar 16 10:02:48 2010 From: drew.kay at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Tue Mar 16 10:48:09 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? In-Reply-To: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> References: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> Message-ID: > Please help me to solve my confusion. I like to install debin squeeze on a box equipped with dual core 64 bit intel processor. But I have not found any X86-64 .iso for squeeze but the amd64 and ia64 .iso > > Where are the x86-64 variant ? You want the amd64 iso. amd64 covers the entire amd & Intel 64bit family with the exception of Intel's Itanium which ia64 covers. -- Drew "Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood." --Marie Curie From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Tue Mar 16 12:09:59 2010 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Tue Mar 16 12:10:04 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? In-Reply-To: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> References: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> Message-ID: On 2010-03-16 20:27+0530 J. Bakshi wrote: > Dear list, > > Please help me to solve my confusion. I like to install debin squeeze on a box equipped with dual core 64 bit intel processor. But I have not found any X86-64 .iso for squeeze but the amd64 and ia64 .iso > > Where are the x86-64 variant ? See http://www.fr.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/ch02s01.html.en. ia64 corresponds to Intel IA-64 hardware. However, are you sure that is the hardware you have? That hardware was the result of Intel's initial foray into the 64-bit hardware world and was not too successful in the market. It's more likely you have "amd64" Intel hardware where Intel essentially copied AMD's wildly successful 64-bit platform. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From dbronaugh at linuxboxen.org Tue Mar 16 12:21:05 2010 From: dbronaugh at linuxboxen.org (David Bronaugh) Date: Tue Mar 16 12:57:42 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? In-Reply-To: References: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> Message-ID: <4B9FDA21.4000101@linuxboxen.org> Alan, I think you're overcomplicating this. He's just a bit confused by Debian's naming of x86-64 as 'amd64'. J. Bakshi, x86-64 = amd64 in Debian land. David Alan W. Irwin wrote: > On 2010-03-16 20:27+0530 J. Bakshi wrote: > >> Dear list, >> >> Please help me to solve my confusion. I like to install debin squeeze >> on a box equipped with dual core 64 bit intel processor. But I have >> not found any X86-64 .iso for squeeze but the amd64 and ia64 .iso >> >> Where are the x86-64 variant ? > > See http://www.fr.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/ch02s01.html.en. > > ia64 corresponds to Intel IA-64 hardware. However, are you sure that > is the > hardware you have? That hardware was the result of Intel's initial foray > into the 64-bit hardware world and was not too successful in the market. > It's more likely you have "amd64" Intel hardware where Intel essentially > copied AMD's wildly successful 64-bit platform. > > Alan > __________________________ > Alan W. Irwin > > Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and > Astronomy, > University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). > > Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state > implementation > for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting > software > package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the > Loads of > Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project > (lbproject.sf.net). > __________________________ > > Linux-powered Science > __________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca Tue Mar 16 12:41:49 2010 From: dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca (Deryk Barker) Date: Tue Mar 16 13:17:54 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? In-Reply-To: References: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> Message-ID: <4B9FDEFD.7080909@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> Alan W. Irwin wrote: > On 2010-03-16 20:27+0530 J. Bakshi wrote: > >> Dear list, >> >> Please help me to solve my confusion. I like to install debin squeeze >> on a box equipped with dual core 64 bit intel processor. But I have >> not found any X86-64 .iso for squeeze but the amd64 and ia64 .iso >> >> Where are the x86-64 variant ? > > See http://www.fr.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/ch02s01.html.en. > > ia64 corresponds to Intel IA-64 hardware. However, are you sure that > is the > hardware you have? That hardware was the result of Intel's initial foray > into the 64-bit hardware world and was not too successful in the market. Indeed, better known as the Itanium (or, to The Register, the Itanic). Funnily enough I just finished teaching a class on the IA-64 architecture - it is *completely* different. > It's more likely you have "amd64" Intel hardware where Intel essentially > copied AMD's wildly successful 64-bit platform. Having already declared there would never be a 64-bit x86 CPU, as the Itanic was the way forward (pity about the iceberg). deryk From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Tue Mar 16 13:38:28 2010 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Tue Mar 16 13:38:31 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? In-Reply-To: <4B9FDA21.4000101@linuxboxen.org> References: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> <4B9FDA21.4000101@linuxboxen.org> Message-ID: On 2010-03-16 12:21-0700 David Bronaugh wrote: > Alan, I think you're overcomplicating this. He's just a bit confused by > Debian's naming of x86-64 as 'amd64'. Actually, Debian doesn't do that if you check the reference I gave (http://www.fr.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/ch02s01.html.en). Instead, they use the designation of "ia64" for the Intel IA-64 (a.k.a. Itanium) hardware that was not too successful in the market, and the designation "amd64" for the AMD _and_ non-Itanium Intel 64-bit hardware that is dominating the market now. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From dbronaugh at linuxboxen.org Tue Mar 16 14:10:37 2010 From: dbronaugh at linuxboxen.org (David Bronaugh) Date: Tue Mar 16 14:11:05 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? In-Reply-To: References: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> <4B9FDA21.4000101@linuxboxen.org> Message-ID: <4B9FF3CD.7000801@linuxboxen.org> Alan W. Irwin wrote: > On 2010-03-16 12:21-0700 David Bronaugh wrote: > >> Alan, I think you're overcomplicating this. He's just a bit confused >> by Debian's naming of x86-64 as 'amd64'. > > Actually, Debian doesn't do that if you check the reference I gave > (http://www.fr.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/ch02s01.html.en). > Instead, > they use the designation of "ia64" for the Intel IA-64 (a.k.a. Itanium) > hardware that was not too successful in the market, and the designation > "amd64" for the AMD _and_ non-Itanium Intel 64-bit hardware that is > dominating the market now. Yes, this is the confusion to which I am referring -- both Intel x86-64 and AMD x86-64 chips fall under the 'amd64' umbrella in Debian architecture nomenclature, which is a little counterintuitive. David From alex at x96design.com Wed Mar 17 07:49:27 2010 From: alex at x96design.com (Alex Blackie) Date: Wed Mar 17 07:49:35 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Mint 8 on Dell Inspiron Mini Message-ID: <4BA0EBF7.1050000@x96design.com> Hi Everyone, I ordered a Dell Inspiron Mini netbook off the Dell website and am very displeased with the modifications Dell made to the Ubuntu installation. It comes preloaded with 8.04. Has anyone had any success installing Ubuntu 9.10? If 9.10 isn't compatible, what about Mint 8? Here's my netbook's specs: * 2 GB RAM * 160 GB HD * 1.6 Intel Atom processor * Native resolution of 1024 x 600 * Wireless N * Built-in Webcam and mic * Built-in card reader (SD, XD, SM) Thanks, Alex -- Alex Blackie X96 Web and Graphic Design alex@x96design.com From bakshi12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 07:27:26 2010 From: bakshi12 at gmail.com (J. Bakshi) Date: Wed Mar 17 08:06:51 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? In-Reply-To: <4B9FF3CD.7000801@linuxboxen.org> References: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> <4B9FDA21.4000101@linuxboxen.org> <4B9FF3CD.7000801@linuxboxen.org> Message-ID: <20100317195726.3154b2ba@shiva.selfip.org> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:10:37 -0700 David Bronaugh wrote: > Alan W. Irwin wrote: > > On 2010-03-16 12:21-0700 David Bronaugh wrote: > > > >> Alan, I think you're overcomplicating this. He's just a bit > >> confused by Debian's naming of x86-64 as 'amd64'. > > > > Actually, Debian doesn't do that if you check the reference I gave > > (http://www.fr.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/ch02s01.html.en). > > Instead, > > they use the designation of "ia64" for the Intel IA-64 (a.k.a. > > Itanium) hardware that was not too successful in the market, and > > the designation "amd64" for the AMD _and_ non-Itanium Intel 64-bit > > hardware that is dominating the market now. > Yes, this is the confusion to which I am referring -- both Intel > x86-64 and AMD x86-64 chips fall under the 'amd64' umbrella in Debian > architecture nomenclature, which is a little counterintuitive. > > David Thanks to all of you. I have also done some research and found the same as you all have already focused. I have installed amd64 here and things are going fine. with my best wishes From ron.schouten at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 08:15:16 2010 From: ron.schouten at gmail.com (Ronald Schouten) Date: Wed Mar 17 08:38:06 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Mint 8 on Dell Inspiron Mini In-Reply-To: <4BA0EBF7.1050000@x96design.com> References: <4BA0EBF7.1050000@x96design.com> Message-ID: When I had a Dell Mini 9 I had 9.04 installed and it ran very well. I think I had to do a little manual tweaking but it wasn't too painful. IIRC, http://www.ubuntumini.com/ and its associated group/forum were invaluable. Ron On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Alex Blackie wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I ordered a Dell Inspiron Mini netbook off the Dell website and am very > displeased with the modifications Dell made to the Ubuntu installation. It > comes preloaded with 8.04. > > Has anyone had any success installing Ubuntu 9.10? If 9.10 isn't > compatible, what about Mint 8? > > Here's my netbook's specs: > > * 2 GB RAM > * 160 GB HD > * 1.6 Intel Atom processor > * Native resolution of 1024 x 600 > * Wireless N > * Built-in Webcam and mic > * Built-in card reader (SD, XD, SM) > > Thanks, > Alex > > > -- > Alex Blackie > X96 Web and Graphic Design > alex@x96design.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Ronald Schouten - Web Developer / JavaScript Ninja Like Google Chrome and Gmail? Try my Gmail Notes extension. https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/hiheeapdnogdfdcbpjpibpllaifndgke From bsirna at shaw.ca Wed Mar 17 08:38:07 2010 From: bsirna at shaw.ca (brent sirna) Date: Wed Mar 17 08:38:10 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Mint 8 on Dell Inspiron Mini In-Reply-To: <4BA0EBF7.1050000@x96design.com> References: <4BA0EBF7.1050000@x96design.com> Message-ID: <4BA0F75F.4080504@shaw.ca> Alex Blackie wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I ordered a Dell Inspiron Mini netbook off the Dell website and am > very displeased with the modifications Dell made to the Ubuntu > installation. It comes preloaded with 8.04. > > Has anyone had any success installing Ubuntu 9.10? If 9.10 isn't > compatible, what about Mint 8? > > Here's my netbook's specs: > > * 2 GB RAM > * 160 GB HD > * 1.6 Intel Atom processor > * Native resolution of 1024 x 600 > * Wireless N > * Built-in Webcam and mic > * Built-in card reader (SD, XD, SM) > > Thanks, > Alex > > Hi Alex, I believe John Blomfield installed Ubuntu 9.10 on his Mini with no problems. I have a mini but have not upgraded to 9.10. For me 8.04 was just fine the only change I did was to have it default to the standard desktop enviroment. Best regards Brent From jabfield at shaw.ca Wed Mar 17 09:35:48 2010 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Wed Mar 17 09:35:51 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Mint 8 on Dell Inspiron Mini In-Reply-To: <4BA0F75F.4080504@shaw.ca> References: <4BA0EBF7.1050000@x96design.com> <4BA0F75F.4080504@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4BA104E4.1040301@shaw.ca> On 17/03/10 08:38, brent sirna wrote: > Alex Blackie wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I ordered a Dell Inspiron Mini netbook off the Dell website and am >> very displeased with the modifications Dell made to the Ubuntu >> installation. It comes preloaded with 8.04. >> >> Has anyone had any success installing Ubuntu 9.10? If 9.10 isn't >> compatible, what about Mint 8? >> >> Here's my netbook's specs: >> >> * 2 GB RAM >> * 160 GB HD >> * 1.6 Intel Atom processor >> * Native resolution of 1024 x 600 >> * Wireless N >> * Built-in Webcam and mic >> * Built-in card reader (SD, XD, SM) >> >> Thanks, >> Alex >> >> > Hi Alex, > > I believe John Blomfield installed Ubuntu 9.10 on his Mini with no > problems. I have a mini but have not upgraded to 9.10. For me 8.04 was > just fine the only change I did was to have it default to the standard > desktop enviroment. > > Best regards > > Brent > I have run Ubuntu 9.04 Live on my Dell mini 10v and one or two other live distros without problems. My first full installation to replace the Dell Ubuntu 8.04 was Debian 5.1 (Lenny) which was fine but required some special installation of drivers to get everything going. I am now running Suse 11.2 KDE 4.3. The installation was relatively simple and it works just fine. The Broadcom wireless card is not the most user friendly but the driver "wl" seems to work ok if your distro has it readily available. John > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From alex at x96design.com Wed Mar 17 10:14:46 2010 From: alex at x96design.com (Alex Blackie) Date: Wed Mar 17 10:22:08 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Mint 8 on Dell Inspiron Mini In-Reply-To: <4BA104E4.1040301@shaw.ca> References: <4BA0EBF7.1050000@x96design.com> <4BA0F75F.4080504@shaw.ca> <4BA104E4.1040301@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <256c2cb1003171014j25f46d0dtc36fd4a0e6b98526@mail.gmail.com> I will definitely install Ubuntu 9.10 on my netbook, hopefully I can get it working! Thanks, Alex On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John Blomfield wrote: > On 17/03/10 08:38, brent sirna wrote: > > Alex Blackie wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I ordered a Dell Inspiron Mini netbook off the Dell website and am > >> very displeased with the modifications Dell made to the Ubuntu > >> installation. It comes preloaded with 8.04. > >> > >> Has anyone had any success installing Ubuntu 9.10? If 9.10 isn't > >> compatible, what about Mint 8? > >> > >> Here's my netbook's specs: > >> > >> * 2 GB RAM > >> * 160 GB HD > >> * 1.6 Intel Atom processor > >> * Native resolution of 1024 x 600 > >> * Wireless N > >> * Built-in Webcam and mic > >> * Built-in card reader (SD, XD, SM) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alex > >> > >> > > Hi Alex, > > > > I believe John Blomfield installed Ubuntu 9.10 on his Mini with no > > problems. I have a mini but have not upgraded to 9.10. For me 8.04 was > > just fine the only change I did was to have it default to the standard > > desktop enviroment. > > > > Best regards > > > > Brent > > > I have run Ubuntu 9.04 Live on my Dell mini 10v and one or two other > live distros without problems. My first full installation to replace > the Dell Ubuntu 8.04 was Debian 5.1 (Lenny) which was fine but required > some special installation of drivers to get everything going. I am now > running Suse 11.2 KDE 4.3. The installation was relatively simple and it > works just fine. The Broadcom wireless card is not the most user > friendly but the driver "wl" seems to work ok if your distro has it > readily available. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@vlug.org > > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From p.willis at telus.net Wed Mar 17 13:39:01 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Wed Mar 17 13:39:08 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries Message-ID: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> Hello, Is there a built-in shell function for running a command with timeout and max retries? ie: MAX_TRIES?<---------------------------------------| |-YES:give up and exit | |-NO:Run command | |-SUCCESS: clean up and exit | |-FAIL: wait for time period, try again--| Thanks Peter From sk at infinitepigeons.org Wed Mar 17 14:35:11 2010 From: sk at infinitepigeons.org (Steven Kurylo) Date: Wed Mar 17 14:35:17 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> Message-ID: <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM, pwillis wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a built-in shell function for running a command with timeout and max retries? > I don't know of one, but I implement it regularly in a few lines of bash: i=0 while [ "$i" -lt 4 ]; do some-command && break i=$[$i+1] sleep 30 done cleanup-command From p.willis at telus.net Wed Mar 17 19:35:07 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Wed Mar 17 19:35:09 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> That's what I came up with too... I guess continuation depends on the command output. There's no standard way (ie: using stderr) to indicate success or failure for all commands. They all have different output. P Steven Kurylo wrote: > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM, pwillis wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Is there a built-in shell function for running a command with timeout and max retries? >> > > I don't know of one, but I implement it regularly in a few lines of bash: > > i=0 > while [ "$i" -lt 4 ]; do > some-command && break > i=$[$i+1] > sleep 30 > done > cleanup-command > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From jabfield at shaw.ca Wed Mar 17 19:42:39 2010 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Wed Mar 17 19:42:41 2010 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Discuss] Mint 8 on Dell Inspiron Mini Message-ID: <4BA1931F.1030401@shaw.ca> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Discuss] Mint 8 on Dell Inspiron Mini Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:40:44 -0700 From: John Blomfield Reply-To: jabfield@shaw.ca To: alex@x96design.com Good luck with Ubuntu 9.10 but just a comment on the Dell version of Ubuntu 8.04. It was an interesting combination of the original Ubuntu 8.04 and a "remix desktop" and I don't know if you realised but you could turn off the remix features and get the basic Ubuntu 8.04. The other feature was that it contained all the necessary drivers for the Dell mini that are not in the normal 8.04 repository. The main benefit of the Dell mini 10v in my opinion is that it is 100% Linux compatible so that no matter what distro you choose you should be able to get the drivers to make it work. I suggest that you partition your hard drive for your new installation and retain Dell's Ubuntu 8.04 until you have an alternative up and running. Then if you run into trouble you can examine the configuration of the 8.04 and see how Dell solved the problem. John Blomfield On 17/03/10 10:14, Alex Blackie wrote: > I will definitely install Ubuntu 9.10 on my netbook, hopefully I can > get it working! > > Thanks, > Alex > > > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John Blomfield > wrote: > > On 17/03/10 08:38, brent sirna wrote: > > Alex Blackie wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I ordered a Dell Inspiron Mini netbook off the Dell website and am > >> very displeased with the modifications Dell made to the Ubuntu > >> installation. It comes preloaded with 8.04. > >> > >> Has anyone had any success installing Ubuntu 9.10? If 9.10 isn't > >> compatible, what about Mint 8? > >> > >> Here's my netbook's specs: > >> > >> * 2 GB RAM > >> * 160 GB HD > >> * 1.6 Intel Atom processor > >> * Native resolution of 1024 x 600 > >> * Wireless N > >> * Built-in Webcam and mic > >> * Built-in card reader (SD, XD, SM) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alex > >> > >> > > Hi Alex, > > > > I believe John Blomfield installed Ubuntu 9.10 on his Mini with no > > problems. I have a mini but have not upgraded to 9.10. For me > 8.04 was > > just fine the only change I did was to have it default to the > standard > > desktop enviroment. > > > > Best regards > > > > Brent > > > I have run Ubuntu 9.04 Live on my Dell mini 10v and one or two other > live distros without problems. My first full installation to replace > the Dell Ubuntu 8.04 was Debian 5.1 (Lenny) which was fine but > required > some special installation of drivers to get everything going. I > am now > running Suse 11.2 KDE 4.3. The installation was relatively simple > and it > works just fine. The Broadcom wireless card is not the most user > friendly but the driver "wl" seems to work ok if your distro has it > readily available. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@vlug.org > > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > From dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca Wed Mar 17 19:56:30 2010 From: dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca (Deryk Barker) Date: Wed Mar 17 19:56:08 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> Message-ID: <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> pwillis wrote: > That's what I came up with too... > > I guess continuation depends on the command output. > There's no standard way (ie: using stderr) to indicate > success or failure for all commands. They all have different > output. True, but many commands return a value of 0 for success and a range of non-zero values for failure. deryk From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Thu Mar 18 12:12:13 2010 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Thu Mar 18 12:12:16 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> Message-ID: On 2010-03-17 19:56-0700 Deryk Barker wrote: > pwillis wrote: >> That's what I came up with too... >> >> I guess continuation depends on the command output. >> There's no standard way (ie: using stderr) to indicate >> success or failure for all commands. They all have different >> output. > True, but many commands return a value of 0 for success and a range of > non-zero values for failure. And with bash (I don't know what the syntax is for other shells) you can find out what that return code is by running "echo $?" _right after_ the command in question. e.g., irwin@raven> ls nonexistentfile >& /dev/null irwin@raven> echo $? 2 irwin@raven> ls >& /dev/null irwin@raven> echo $? 0 Of course, in a script you would capture the $? variable another way _right after a command is run_, e.g., whatever_command status_code=$? then later on (when other commands have changed $?) you can do script logic depending on the status_code variable that was captured. Hope those examples help. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From p.willis at telus.net Thu Mar 18 19:09:26 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Thu Mar 18 19:09:29 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> Message-ID: <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> I guess the point I was making is that I can't count on '2' being 'error' and zero being 'success'. For example a program can exit successfully with zero, yet very gracefully *NOT* carry out an intended function due to some external factor. In that case I would need to know what output to parse to decide if the function was truly accomplished or just a graceful exit(0). Peter Alan W. Irwin wrote: > On 2010-03-17 19:56-0700 Deryk Barker wrote: > > > And with bash (I don't know what the syntax is for other shells) you can > find out what that return code is by running "echo $?" _right after_ the > command in question. > > e.g., > > irwin@raven> ls nonexistentfile >& /dev/null > irwin@raven> echo $? > 2 > > irwin@raven> ls >& /dev/null > irwin@raven> echo $? > 0 > > Of course, in a script you would capture the $? variable another way _right > after a command is run_, e.g., > > whatever_command > status_code=$? > > then later on (when other commands have changed $?) you can do script logic > depending on the status_code variable that was captured. > > Hope those examples help. > > Alan From sk at infinitepigeons.org Thu Mar 18 19:31:11 2010 From: sk at infinitepigeons.org (Steven Kurylo) Date: Thu Mar 18 20:37:05 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> Message-ID: <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, pwillis wrote: > I guess the point I was making is that I can't count on '2' > being 'error' and zero being 'success'. > > For example a program can exit successfully with zero, > yet very gracefully *NOT* carry out an intended function > due to some external factor. > Well it could, but I'd consider that a bug. Do you have an example of a mainstream program that does that? I'd think its pretty well establish that 0 means success, not "I exited without crashing, but may have failed". Diff would be the closest I can think of, 0 means no difference and 1 means there is, then errors start at 2. I think grep is similar. But there is a good reason for that, as it makes scripting much easier. From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Thu Mar 18 20:59:28 2010 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Thu Mar 18 20:59:30 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> Message-ID: On 2010-03-18 19:09-0700 pwillis wrote: > I guess the point I was making is that I can't count on '2' > being 'error' and zero being 'success'. That's too specific. The standard is zero is success and non-zero is some error return. > > For example a program can exit successfully with zero, > yet very gracefully *NOT* carry out an intended function > due to some external factor. That's unusual. Think of my ls example where a non-existent file gave a graceful exit, but yet gave a non-zero return code indicating something wasn't quite kosher. That behaviour is quite common in GNU software and may even be a posix standard although a quick google search was unable to answer that question for me. Anyhow, if your commands are Linux system commands, then I think you should be able to count on this behaviour to the extent that it is worth testing to see if the standard is ever violated. And, of course, if your commands involve some private software, lean on the people involved to follow this standard when they have error exits from their application or script. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From p.willis at telus.net Fri Mar 19 10:14:52 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (p.willis@telus.net) Date: Fri Mar 19 10:14:54 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> Quoting Steven Kurylo : > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, pwillis wrote: > > I guess the point I was making is that I can't count on '2' > > being 'error' and zero being 'success'. > > > > For example a program can exit successfully with zero, > > yet very gracefully *NOT* carry out an intended function > > due to some external factor. > > > > Well it could, but I'd consider that a bug. Do you have an example of > a mainstream program that does that? wget, and others. I'll use wget as an example: For this application success/failure depends on the context. If I 'wget' a page with
data and the form result returns nothing, according to wget HTML came back just fine. The form search failed though. The actual output of most programs is far more than PASS/FAIL and depends on the usage context of the data being returned. Peter From p.willis at telus.net Fri Mar 19 10:18:13 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (p.willis@telus.net) Date: Fri Mar 19 10:18:15 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> Message-ID: <1269019093.4ba3b1d56bdb8@legacywebmail.telus.net> Quoting "Alan W. Irwin" : > On 2010-03-18 19:09-0700 pwillis wrote: > > > I guess the point I was making is that I can't count on '2' > > being 'error' and zero being 'success'. > > That's too specific. The standard is zero is success and non-zero is > some error return. > > > > > For example a program can exit successfully with zero, > > yet very gracefully *NOT* carry out an intended function > > due to some external factor. > > That's unusual. Think of my ls example where a non-existent file gave a > graceful exit, but yet gave a non-zero return code indicating something > wasn't quite kosher. That behaviour is quite common in GNU software and may > even be a posix standard although a quick google search was unable to answer > that question for me. Anyhow, if your commands are Linux system commands, > then I think you should be able to count on this behaviour to the extent > that it is worth testing to see if the standard is ever violated. And, of > course, if your commands involve some private software, lean on the people > involved to follow this standard when they have error exits from their > application or script. > > Alan Refer to my response regarding 'wget'. I think we are confusing standard exit semantics with contextual assessment of the inherent value of the output. Peter From sk at infinitepigeons.org Fri Mar 19 11:29:37 2010 From: sk at infinitepigeons.org (Steven Kurylo) Date: Fri Mar 19 11:29:39 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <6d91d5d81003191129r11092c98oed038b775833582@mail.gmail.com> > wget, and others. > > I'll use wget as an example: > > For this application success/failure depends on the context. > > If I 'wget' a page with data and the form result returns > nothing, according to wget HTML came back just fine. > The form search failed though. > > The actual output of most programs is far more than PASS/FAIL > and depends on the usage context of the data being returned. > You're asking to much of wget. If there was a DNS error, or network error, wget would do the right thing. wget fetches pages and thats it. You then need to use a tool which checks the returned html. From an html validator to custom parsing code, depending on what you need. To flesh out the last example: TMP= /tmp/wget.$$ function work{ #Get data wget http://some url > $TMP || return $? #Validate results grep $TMP keyword || return $? return 0 } i=0 while [ "$i" -lt 4 ]; do work && break i=$[$i+1] sleep 30 done rm $TMP &> /dev/null more-cleanup-commands From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Fri Mar 19 11:35:17 2010 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Fri Mar 19 11:35:19 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> Message-ID: On 2010-03-19 10:14-0700 p.willis@telus.net wrote: > Quoting Steven Kurylo : > >> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, pwillis wrote: >>> I guess the point I was making is that I can't count on '2' >>> being 'error' and zero being 'success'. >>> >>> For example a program can exit successfully with zero, >>> yet very gracefully *NOT* carry out an intended function >>> due to some external factor. >>> >> >> Well it could, but I'd consider that a bug. Do you have an example of >> a mainstream program that does that? > > wget, and others. > > I'll use wget as an example: > > For this application success/failure depends on the context. > > If I 'wget' a page with data and the form result returns > nothing, according to wget HTML came back just fine. > The form search failed though. > > The actual output of most programs is far more than PASS/FAIL > and depends on the usage context of the data being returned. Good point. For your use case, how many such programmes are there? If that number is fairly limited (which I think is probably the case), then in general for every application you save $? immediately and take the error exit (or however you handle errors) when that variable is non-zero. When $? is zero, then for certain applications you may want in addition to search their output for something you consider to be a failure. That's doable if there are (say) less than 20 such special applications, but if there are hundreds of them, it is going to be tedious to programme all those searches for special conditions you consider to be failures. Anyhow, that is the exact approach we take with the PLplot test suite. By design, the PLplot library only gives non-zero return values for catastrophic errors. For our test suite we want to be more discriminating than that. Therefore, for the case where $? is zero we search PLplot library output for severe warning messages where we want our test suite to fail. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From p.willis at telus.net Fri Mar 19 11:46:19 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (p.willis@telus.net) Date: Fri Mar 19 11:46:23 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <6d91d5d81003191129r11092c98oed038b775833582@mail.gmail.com> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> <6d91d5d81003191129r11092c98oed038b775833582@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1269024379.4ba3c67b78611@legacywebmail.telus.net> Quoting Steven Kurylo : > > You're asking to much of wget. If there was a DNS error, or network > error, wget would do the right thing. > > wget fetches pages and thats it. You then need to use a tool which > checks the returned html. From an html validator to custom parsing > code, depending on what you need. > > Yes, I agree. I already use scripts to do as you described in your examples. But, how can I do this generically so that I can apply some higher level output filtering to a number of different programs without having to rewrite the script each time? Can I make those high level tests inside a generic wrapper that provides a PASS/FAIL result? I guess the short answer is that I need to make that tool myself. Peter From p.willis at telus.net Fri Mar 19 11:50:54 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (p.willis@telus.net) Date: Fri Mar 19 11:50:57 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <1269024654.4ba3c78ee1371@legacywebmail.telus.net> Quoting "Alan W. Irwin" : > Therefore, for the case where $? is zero we search PLplot > library output for severe warning messages where we want our test suite to > fail. > > Alan I guess at the most basic level we're just talking about using 'tee' of our outputs (stdio/stderr), and then 'grep', to watch for some assertive value.... Peter From sk at infinitepigeons.org Fri Mar 19 12:17:02 2010 From: sk at infinitepigeons.org (Steven Kurylo) Date: Fri Mar 19 12:17:05 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <1269024379.4ba3c67b78611@legacywebmail.telus.net> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> <6d91d5d81003191129r11092c98oed038b775833582@mail.gmail.com> <1269024379.4ba3c67b78611@legacywebmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <6d91d5d81003191217q626ef806o5463a102ddb6db2e@mail.gmail.com> > Yes, I agree. > I already use scripts to do as you described in your examples. > > But, how can I do this generically so that I can apply > some higher level output filtering to a number of different > programs without having to rewrite the script each time? > > > Can I make those high level tests inside a generic > wrapper that provides a PASS/FAIL result? > > I guess the short answer is that I need to make > that tool myself. > Sooner or later you'll always get to a tool which isn't doing the right thing or can't be accessed programmatically (returning blank html instead of an error code), so you'll always have to write that test yourself. You could make your bash script generic enough that you pass it the command to run and the output which means success From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Fri Mar 19 12:22:42 2010 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Fri Mar 19 12:22:46 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Run a command with retries In-Reply-To: <1269024379.4ba3c67b78611@legacywebmail.telus.net> References: <7956717.454793.1268858341266.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes95> <6d91d5d81003171435m1f7d1997o8eaf4abc8cb67560@mail.gmail.com> <4BA1915B.2020506@telus.net> <4BA1965E.6040309@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4BA2DCD6.7020204@telus.net> <6d91d5d81003181931oaab5af6h8a69364ad353c19c@mail.gmail.com> <1269018892.4ba3b10c71dcd@legacywebmail.telus.net> <6d91d5d81003191129r11092c98oed038b775833582@mail.gmail.com> <1269024379.4ba3c67b78611@legacywebmail.telus.net> Message-ID: On 2010-03-19 11:46-0700 p.willis@telus.net wrote: > Quoting Steven Kurylo : > >> >> You're asking to much of wget. If there was a DNS error, or network >> error, wget would do the right thing. >> >> wget fetches pages and thats it. You then need to use a tool which >> checks the returned html. From an html validator to custom parsing >> code, depending on what you need. >> >> > > > Yes, I agree. > I already use scripts to do as you described in your examples. > > But, how can I do this generically so that I can apply > some higher level output filtering to a number of different > programs without having to rewrite the script each time? > > Can I make those high level tests inside a generic > wrapper that provides a PASS/FAIL result? > > I guess the short answer is that I need to make > that tool myself. Yes, but all you need to do is to generalize Steve's script (or yours) for this task. I am thinking along the lines of a bash function where you pass it the application you are going to test, the stdin file (if needed) to run the application, the options (if needed) to run the application, and a string to look for in the stdout and stderr generated by the application which marks that test as a failure. Then call that function in a loop that runs through all your tests. This is slightly off topic, but I should mention that CMake is probably a better tool than bash for setting up test suites. Currently, I am using CMake to put together an extended test suite for FreeEOS where I just have a single application (free_eos_test) which is run in a large number of different ways depending on the stdin file that is used. So I have a CMake foreach loop that configures a different stdin file for each of the tests I want to run and which sets up a make target with correct dependencies (on the configured file and also on the free_eos_test application) for each of those tests. I also configure an overall comprehensive_test target which depends on all of these tests configured in the foreach loop. Thus after cmake is run to configure the Makefiles, any FreeEOS user will be able to run make -j4 comprehensive_test with the result that automatic comprehensive testing of FreeEOS is done with a large number of specific tests (in parallel for speed on multiprocessor hardware) on their platform. Of course, this is just one specific example, and you could also easily use CMake this way for your use case where you change the application, stdin file (configured or not), options, and error phrase to look for for each iteration of the foreach loop. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From bakshi12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 23:28:10 2010 From: bakshi12 at gmail.com (J. Bakshi) Date: Fri Mar 19 23:42:54 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] which debian .iso is required for dual core 64 bit intel ? In-Reply-To: <4B9FF3CD.7000801@linuxboxen.org> References: <20100316202733.07851910@shiva.selfip.org> <4B9FDA21.4000101@linuxboxen.org> <4B9FF3CD.7000801@linuxboxen.org> Message-ID: <20100320115810.45459381@shiva.selfip.org> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:10:37 -0700 David Bronaugh wrote: > Alan W. Irwin wrote: > > On 2010-03-16 12:21-0700 David Bronaugh wrote: > > > >> Alan, I think you're overcomplicating this. He's just a bit > >> confused by Debian's naming of x86-64 as 'amd64'. > > > > Actually, Debian doesn't do that if you check the reference I gave > > (http://www.fr.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/ch02s01.html.en). > > Instead, > > they use the designation of "ia64" for the Intel IA-64 (a.k.a. > > Itanium) hardware that was not too successful in the market, and > > the designation "amd64" for the AMD _and_ non-Itanium Intel 64-bit > > hardware that is dominating the market now. > Yes, this is the confusion to which I am referring -- both Intel > x86-64 and AMD x86-64 chips fall under the 'amd64' umbrella in Debian > architecture nomenclature, which is a little counterintuitive. > > David It is very clear to me now :-) many many thanks to all of you with my best wishes From bakshi12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 23:25:41 2010 From: bakshi12 at gmail.com (J. Bakshi) Date: Sat Mar 20 00:40:50 2010 Subject: [Discuss] [vlug] davfs2 with auto accept SSL ? Message-ID: <20100320115541.5ce4be1e@shiva.selfip.org> Dear list, Does anyone have any experience with davfs2 file system ? I have already configured /etc/fstab to mount webdav as a user with davfs2 and provided the credential ( i.e. username; password) at ~/.davfs2/.secret I have no problem to mount the webdav but every time it prompts to accept the SSL certificate. Is there any option to auto accept SSL ? I have already done google search but no luck yet. Any suggestion is welcome. Thanks From p.willis at telus.net Mon Mar 22 10:30:58 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Mon Mar 22 10:31:05 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH Message-ID: <7166294.535365.1269279058562.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Hello, Does anyone have a simpler method to detect if a directory or file is somewhere *below* a specified directory? Currently I am doing somewhat like this: #!/bin/bash EXCLUDE_DIR="/some/excluded/dir" for FILE in `cat file_list.txt`;do EXCL=`echo "${EXCLUDE_DIR}|${FILE}" | awk -F "|" '{I=index($2,$1);print I}'` if [ "$EXCL" == "1" ]; then echo "The file ${FILE} is below ${EXCLUDE_DIR}." fi done Peter From noel at burton-krahn.com Mon Mar 22 10:43:27 2010 From: noel at burton-krahn.com (Noel Burton-Krahn) Date: Mon Mar 22 11:09:29 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH In-Reply-To: <7166294.535365.1269279058562.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> References: <7166294.535365.1269279058562.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Message-ID: <674fdff21003221043p6faa42f5v2420d42b675d3b12@mail.gmail.com> This seems too easy. Are you trying to do something more complicated than this? find "$SOME_DIR" | grep "$FILE" On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, pwillis wrote: > Hello, > > > Does anyone have a simpler method to detect if > a directory or file is somewhere *below* a specified directory? > > > Currently I am doing somewhat like this: > > > #!/bin/bash > > EXCLUDE_DIR="/some/excluded/dir" > > > for FILE in `cat file_list.txt`;do > > ?EXCL=`echo "${EXCLUDE_DIR}|${FILE}" | awk -F "|" '{I=index($2,$1);print I}'` > ?if [ "$EXCL" == "1" ]; then > ? ? ?echo "The file ${FILE} ? is below ${EXCLUDE_DIR}." > ?fi > > done > > > > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From wmstrome at shaw.ca Mon Mar 22 11:23:51 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Mon Mar 22 11:23:53 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Fonts Message-ID: I have far too many fonts installed, but I don't know how to find the few I would like to have. Right now I have tons of sans serif fonts, like Arial, Verdana sans, DejaVu sans, etc. I also have a lot of serif fonts, like Times New Roman. As well, many mono fonts. I am not sure which of these are best, but I certainly cannot see why I need them all! However, I am missing some artistic ones that I would like: A few really nice script styles (about the best I can find is URW ChanceryA really good "old English" style font, like the one often used as the banner of some newspapers like the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/?? -- "Justice" on windows is the closest I have been able to find, but it really isn't very good. Some artistic fonts, like the ones that often start children's movies with something like: "Once upon a time ....." on a parchment scroll. Any suggestions as to how to remove a lot of the fonts which are almost duplicates of the more common ones (do I just delete from the fonts directory?). More important, how can I find the (free) unique ones that I would like, and install them? Thanks for your suggestions. I have tried Google, but as usual, I get too much useless information and too little of help. Murray From p.willis at telus.net Mon Mar 22 11:55:15 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Mon Mar 22 11:55:17 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH Message-ID: <457614.538345.1269284115077.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Hello, Yes, a bit more complicated. I just want to know if a specific path is below another path. (ie: YES/NO) if [ -d "$SOME_PATH" ] will tell me if a path exists, but how do I tell is "yokels/fireblue/resnit" is a part (sub) of that hierarchy? You can see what I am looking for with the supplied working example. I am just wondering if there is an easier way ( command,flag,standard,...etc.). Peter On Mar 22, 2010, Noel Burton-Krahn wrote: This seems too easy. Are you trying to do something more complicated than this? find "$SOME_DIR" | grep "$FILE" On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, pwillis wrote: > Hello, > > > Does anyone have a simpler method to detect if > a directory or file is somewhere *below* a specified directory? > > > Currently I am doing somewhat like this: > > > #!/bin/bash > > EXCLUDE_DIR="/some/excluded/dir" > > > for FILE in `cat file_list.txt`;do > > ?EXCL=`echo "${EXCLUDE_DIR}|${FILE}" | awk -F "|" '{I=index($2,$1);print I}'` > ?if [ "$EXCL" == "1" ]; then > ? ? ?echo "The file ${FILE} ? is below ${EXCLUDE_DIR}." > ?fi > > done > > > > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@vlug.org http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss us From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Mon Mar 22 13:44:48 2010 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Mon Mar 22 13:44:50 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2010-03-22 11:23-0700 Murray Strome wrote: > I have far too many fonts installed, but I don't know how to find the few I would like to have. I highly recommend using gucharmap to evaluate the system fonts that you do have installed. By running that app, you may find you already have installed just the font that you need. > Any suggestions as to how to remove a lot of the fonts which are almost duplicates of the more common ones (do I just delete from the fonts directory?). Murray, that idea of simply removing font files you think you won't need is a recipe for disaster. I think it is fair to say you have a track record for messing up your Linux installations by not following advice about the proper way to add and remove system software and data. So it may be hopeless to give you such advice any more, but I will try again to keep the record straight here for anybody that is following this thread. Instead, of removing system files you remove the appropriate software package for your distribution! To find out the correspondence between package name and system file name on Debian or its derivatives such as Ubuntu, use dpkg --search full_path_name_of_file Also, when removing packages, do it in a way that consistently removes dependencies on the package you are removing (and also warns you about all those packages you are implicitly removing and gives you a chance to change your mind). apt-get purge package_name is a good way to do that. Even with apt-get you can get into trouble if you just blithely allow it to remove packages with no knowledge of what those packages actually do. So do your research (with, e.g., 'apt-cache show package_name' or 'dpkg --status package_name') before saying yes to apt-get questions about removing packages. By following rules like these I have never clobbered a Linux distribution since I started (in 1998 or so) using Linux distributions with rpm or apt-get that dealt properly with package dependencies. (In fact, I have never clobbered a Linux distribution since I started with Linux in 1996, but before distributions with package dependencies, that was more a matter of luck than design.) I hope you will listen to advice this time, but if not at least others will have been informed about the downsides of simply removing system files. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From noel at burton-krahn.com Mon Mar 22 13:45:13 2010 From: noel at burton-krahn.com (Noel Burton-Krahn) Date: Mon Mar 22 14:07:56 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH In-Reply-To: <457614.538345.1269284115077.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> References: <457614.538345.1269284115077.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Message-ID: <674fdff21003221345g4882350fw9d2cd47d7545dc06@mail.gmail.com> OK, then the grep I sent before will do what you want: find "$SOME_PATH" | grep -q "^$SOME_PATH/?.*/yokels/fireblue/resnit" -- Noel On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:55 AM, pwillis wrote: > > Hello, > > Yes, a bit more complicated. > > I just want to know if a specific path is below another > path. (ie: YES/NO) > > if [ -d "$SOME_PATH" ] > > will tell me if a path exists, but > how do I tell is "yokels/fireblue/resnit" is a part (sub) of > that hierarchy? > > You can see what I am looking for with the supplied > working example. I am just wondering if there is an easier > way ( command,flag,standard,...etc.). > > Peter > > > > On Mar 22, 2010, Noel Burton-Krahn wrote: > > This seems too easy. ?Are you trying to do something more complicated than this? > > find "$SOME_DIR" | grep "$FILE" > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, pwillis wrote: >> Hello, >> >> >> Does anyone have a simpler method to detect if >> a directory or file is somewhere *below* a specified directory? >> >> >> Currently I am doing somewhat like this: >> >> >> #!/bin/bash >> >> EXCLUDE_DIR="/some/excluded/dir" >> >> >> for FILE in `cat file_list.txt`;do >> >> ?EXCL=`echo "${EXCLUDE_DIR}|${FILE}" | awk -F "|" '{I=index($2,$1);print I}'` >> ?if [ "$EXCL" == "1" ]; then >> ? ? ?echo "The file ${FILE} ? is below ${EXCLUDE_DIR}." >> ?fi >> >> done >> >> >> >> >> Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > us > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From p.willis at telus.net Mon Mar 22 15:55:05 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Mon Mar 22 15:55:07 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH Message-ID: <7806853.545019.1269298505411.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Ah! I see what you're getting at... But maybe: find "$SOME_PATH" | grep -v "$SOME_PATH/yokels/fireblue/resnit" Not really the solutions I was looking for since I need to iterate through a list of directories and files to exclude from the output... Nice regex solution though. Peter On Mar 22, 2010, Noel Burton-Krahn wrote: OK, then the grep I sent before will do what you want: find "$SOME_PATH" | grep -q "^$SOME_PATH/?.*/yokels/fireblue/resnit" -- Noel On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:55 AM, pwillis wrote: > > Hello, > > Yes, a bit more complicated. > > I just want to know if a specific path is below another > path. (ie: YES/NO) > > if [ -d "$SOME_PATH" ] > > will tell me if a path exists, but > how do I tell is "yokels/fireblue/resnit" is a part (sub) of > that hierarchy? > > You can see what I am looking for with the supplied > working example. I am just wondering if there is an easier > way ( command,flag,standard,...etc.). > > Peter > > > > On Mar 22, 2010, Noel Burton-Krahn wrote: > > This seems too easy. ?Are you trying to do something more complicated than this? > > find "$SOME_DIR" | grep "$FILE" > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, pwillis wrote: >> Hello, >> >> >> Does anyone have a simpler method to detect if >> a directory or file is somewhere *below* a specified directory? >> >> >> Currently I am doing somewhat like this: >> >> >> #!/bin/bash >> >> EXCLUDE_DIR="/some/excluded/dir" >> >> >> for FILE in `cat file_list.txt`;do >> >> ?EXCL=`echo "${EXCLUDE_DIR}|${FILE}" | awk -F "|" '{I=index($2,$1);print I}'` >> ?if [ "$EXCL" == "1" ]; then >> ? ? ?echo "The file ${FILE} ? is below ${EXCLUDE_DIR}." >> ?fi >> >> done >> >> >> >> >> Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > us > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@vlug.org http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From noel at burton-krahn.com Mon Mar 22 16:07:44 2010 From: noel at burton-krahn.com (Noel Burton-Krahn) Date: Mon Mar 22 16:07:48 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH In-Reply-To: <7806853.545019.1269298505411.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> References: <7806853.545019.1269298505411.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Message-ID: <674fdff21003221607y6cb2f4aah990c84a1bfeeb3bf@mail.gmail.com> You can exclude dirs with find's -prune action, or with sed find "$SOME_PATH" -name 'exclude_me' -prune -o print | sed -e '/exclude_me_too/d' | grep -q "$SOME_PATH/.*yokels/fireblue/resnit" On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM, pwillis wrote: > > Ah! I see what you're getting at... > > But maybe: > > find "$SOME_PATH" | grep -v "$SOME_PATH/yokels/fireblue/resnit" > > Not really the solutions I was looking for since > I need to iterate through a list of directories and files to exclude from > the output... > > Nice regex solution though. > > Peter > > > > On Mar 22, 2010, Noel Burton-Krahn wrote: > > OK, then the grep I sent before will do what you want: > > find "$SOME_PATH" | grep -q "^$SOME_PATH/?.*/yokels/fireblue/resnit" > > -- > Noel > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:55 AM, pwillis wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Yes, a bit more complicated. >> >> I just want to know if a specific path is below another >> path. (ie: YES/NO) >> >> if [ -d "$SOME_PATH" ] >> >> will tell me if a path exists, but >> how do I tell is "yokels/fireblue/resnit" is a part (sub) of >> that hierarchy? >> >> You can see what I am looking for with the supplied >> working example. I am just wondering if there is an easier >> way ( command,flag,standard,...etc.). >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> On Mar 22, 2010, Noel Burton-Krahn wrote: >> >> This seems too easy. ?Are you trying to do something more complicated than this? >> >> find "$SOME_DIR" | grep "$FILE" >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, pwillis wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have a simpler method to detect if >>> a directory or file is somewhere *below* a specified directory? >>> >>> >>> Currently I am doing somewhat like this: >>> >>> >>> #!/bin/bash >>> >>> EXCLUDE_DIR="/some/excluded/dir" >>> >>> >>> for FILE in `cat file_list.txt`;do >>> >>> ?EXCL=`echo "${EXCLUDE_DIR}|${FILE}" | awk -F "|" '{I=index($2,$1);print I}'` >>> ?if [ "$EXCL" == "1" ]; then >>> ? ? ?echo "The file ${FILE} ? is below ${EXCLUDE_DIR}." >>> ?fi >>> >>> done >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@vlug.org >>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> us >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From wmstrome at shaw.ca Mon Mar 22 17:29:25 2010 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Mon Mar 22 17:29:26 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, Thanks for your suggestions (again). In fact, I have NOT clobbered my LINUX installations for quite some time now (at least two or three years)! Although I don't use the command line for software installation or removal very often, I do use Synaptic whenever possible. But neither method is always possible. If I recall correctly, even installation of Bitstream fonts had to be done manually by unpacking the files into the appropriate font file (no repository available, at least at the time I did it). I will look at gucharmap, but I have just used Scribus to print out all the fonts that I have installed (though it does not recognize a few of the most obscure of them). I will be trying to decide which fonts I don't want, then try to find the package which contains them. However, I suspect that some of the packages contain a combination of fonts that I do want with others that I don't. If I use dpkg --search full_path_name_of_file, I have to know the "name_of_file", which is not always the case, nor if it is the name of the font, do I necessarily know the the full path, but I can probably find that. Believe me, I HAVE listened to your advice, whether you believe it or not, and have tried to follow it. Of course, there are many things that I don't understand, and too many things to try to learn about LINUX, plus the more important (for me) the tools I use (like Scribus, GIMP, KPhotoAlbum, Jhead, etc., etc.) and not enough time between that and trying to get things done! In addition, my memory is nowhere nearly as good as it was when I was younger, so I often forget what I learned a few years ago. Something I really don't understand is that many of the LINUX applications on my eeePC notebook work much more smoothly than on any of my other computers (e.g. YouTube, Adobe Flash, Snype, etc.). Whenever I update one of the newer machines (mostly 64 bit and usually multiple processor), I regularly have a lot of trouble getting the audio to work at all, getting video streaming from the web to work, and I sometimes have trouble with the basic video (resolution, etc.).? The only computer on which I have been able to get Skype working flawlessly with absolutely no installation problems at all is that tiny eeePC (20GB total solid state HD with the separate SD card)! Of course it is a lot slower, the screen is a bit frustratingly small (7") and the keyboard is too cramped, but since I use it all the time on trips now (it is wonderful on an aircraft as it is light, fits easily on the tray with room for a real mouse, plus a glass of water; and the battery lasts a LONG time), I have found that I can use all the applications that I use on my "more powerful" computers quite effectively. I did find two acceptable fonts (but they are for Windows/Mac). I know there is a way to install them in LINUX, as I have done so before, but it will require research to recall the methodology. I doubt it will be by using apt-get! I did find acceptable Old English (for Windows) and Script fonts that appear to be acceptable, and much better than what I now have. However, I have not yet found a suitable one for my third desire. Again, I do appreciate your advice, and do try to follow it. Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan W. Irwin" Date: Monday, March 22, 2010 16:44 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Fonts To: discuss@vlug.org > On 2010-03-22 11:23-0700 Murray Strome wrote: > > > I have far too many fonts installed, but I don't know how to > find the few > I would like to have. > > I highly recommend using gucharmap to evaluate the system fonts > that you > do have installed.? By running that app, you may find you already > have installed just the font that you need. > > > Any suggestions as to how to remove a lot of the fonts which > are almost > duplicates of the more common ones (do I just delete from the fonts > directory?). > > Murray, that idea of simply removing font files you think you > won't need is > a recipe for disaster.? I think it is fair to say you have > a track record > for messing up your Linux installations by not following advice > about the > proper way to add and remove system software and data.? So > it may be > hopeless to give you such advice any more, but I will try again > to keep the > record straight here for anybody that is following this thread. > > Instead, of removing system files you remove the appropriate software > package for your distribution!? To find out the > correspondence between > package name and system file name on Debian or its derivatives > such as > Ubuntu, use > > dpkg --search full_path_name_of_file > > Also, when removing packages, do it in a way that consistently removes > dependencies on the package you are removing (and also warns you about > all those packages you are implicitly removing and gives you a chance > to change your mind). > > apt-get purge package_name > > is a good way to do that.? Even with apt-get you can get into > trouble if you just blithely allow it to remove packages with no > knowledge of what those packages actually do.? So do your > research (with, e.g., > 'apt-cache show package_name' or 'dpkg --status package_name') before > saying yes to apt-get questions about removing packages. > > By following rules like these I have never clobbered a Linux > distribution since I started (in 1998 or so) using Linux > distributions with rpm or > apt-get that dealt properly with package dependencies.? (In > fact, I have > never clobbered a Linux distribution since I started with Linux > in 1996, but > before distributions with package dependencies, that was more a > matter of > luck than design.) > > I hope you will listen to advice this time, but if not at least others > will have been informed about the downsides of simply removing system > files. > > Alan From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Mon Mar 22 17:57:00 2010 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Mon Mar 22 17:57:02 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2010-03-22 20:29-0400 Murray Strome wrote: > [...] I do appreciate your advice, and do try to follow it. Fair enough. It was good to hear it had been a while since you clobbered one of your Linux distros. Long may that continue! Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From Cy.Schubert at komquats.com Mon Mar 22 21:32:41 2010 From: Cy.Schubert at komquats.com (Cy Schubert) Date: Mon Mar 22 21:32:47 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH In-Reply-To: Message from Noel Burton-Krahn of "Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:43:27 PDT." <674fdff21003221043p6faa42f5v2420d42b675d3b12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201003230432.o2N4WfAY083968@cwsys.cwsent.com> In message <674fdff21003221043p6faa42f5v2420d42b675d3b12@mail.gmail.com>, Noel Burton-Krahn writes: > This seems too easy. Are you trying to do something more complicated than th > is? > > find "$SOME_DIR" | grep "$FILE" find $SOME_DIR -type f -name $FILE or for directories -type d -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org e**(i*pi)+1=0 > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, pwillis wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > Does anyone have a simpler method to detect if > > a directory or file is somewhere *below* a specified directory? > > > > > > Currently I am doing somewhat like this: > > > > > > #!/bin/bash > > > > EXCLUDE_DIR="/some/excluded/dir" > > > > > > for FILE in `cat file_list.txt`;do > > > > ?EXCL=`echo "${EXCLUDE_DIR}|${FILE}" | awk -F "|" '{I=index($2,$1);print I}' > ` > > ?if [ "$EXCL" == "1" ]; then > > ? ? ?echo "The file ${FILE} ? is below ${EXCLUDE_DIR}." > > ?fi > > > > done > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@vlug.org > > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From p.willis at telus.net Tue Mar 23 21:08:58 2010 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Tue Mar 23 21:09:01 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH In-Reply-To: <201003230432.o2N4WfAY083968@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: <201003230432.o2N4WfAY083968@cwsys.cwsent.com> Message-ID: <4BA9905A.4060106@telus.net> Yes. Good... The FILE in my example is a path. Perhaps I should have called the variable 'PATH'. The problem is I already have an env variable specifically named 'PATH'. I thought 'since directories can be treated like files anyway..hmmm...!FILE!'. Anyway, use the flags if you want to distinguish. I wasn't being particularly picky and wanted everything. P Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <674fdff21003221043p6faa42f5v2420d42b675d3b12@mail.gmail.com>, > Noel > Burton-Krahn writes: >> This seems too easy. Are you trying to do something more complicated than th >> is? >> >> find "$SOME_DIR" | grep "$FILE" > > find $SOME_DIR -type f -name $FILE > > or for directories -type d > > From Cy.Schubert at komquats.com Thu Mar 25 23:21:47 2010 From: Cy.Schubert at komquats.com (Cy Schubert) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:21:50 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Better way to detect sub files/dirs in BASH In-Reply-To: Message from pwillis of "Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:08:58 PDT." <4BA9905A.4060106@telus.net> Message-ID: <201003260621.o2Q6Llvi051487@cwsys.cwsent.com> Then omit the -type argument. This will include anything including symlinks, UNIX domain sockets, device nodes, or anything else with that name. If you want just files or directories you can specify -type f -or -type -d. -o may be substituted for -or (-o is the legacy form of -or). -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org e**(i*pi)+1=0 In message <4BA9905A.4060106@telus.net>, pwillis writes: > Yes. Good... > > The FILE in my example is a path. > Perhaps I should have called the variable 'PATH'. > The problem is I already have an env variable specifically named 'PATH'. > > I thought 'since directories can be treated like files > anyway..hmmm...!FILE!'. > > Anyway, use the flags if you want to distinguish. > I wasn't being particularly picky and wanted everything. > > > P > > > Cy Schubert wrote: > > In message <674fdff21003221043p6faa42f5v2420d42b675d3b12@mail.gmail.com>, > > Noel > > Burton-Krahn writes: > >> This seems too easy. Are you trying to do something more complicated than > th > >> is? > >> > >> find "$SOME_DIR" | grep "$FILE" > > > > find $SOME_DIR -type f -name $FILE > > > > or for directories -type d > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From ron.schouten at gmail.com Fri Mar 26 09:29:58 2010 From: ron.schouten at gmail.com (Ronald Schouten) Date: Fri Mar 26 09:57:02 2010 Subject: [Discuss] VOIP on Android Message-ID: Hi All, Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question, but I just purchased an Android handset and I want to set it up so I can send and receive phone calls via VOIP when on a wifi connection. Does anyone have any experience doing this? SIPDroid looks like the software I want to install but I am unsure of how to get an inexpensive Victoria-based phone number. Can anyone recommend a provider? Thanks, Ron From alex at x96design.com Sat Mar 27 19:29:23 2010 From: alex at x96design.com (Alex Blackie) Date: Sat Mar 27 19:29:45 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Ubuntu 9.10 On Mini 10v Message-ID: <256c2cb1003271929p461c8da9r342d05251b6e903a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 in a partition on my Dell Mini 10v, and can't get the wireless drivers to work. I installed the driver, but when I go to activate it, it throws me a failure message. I check the `/var/log/jockey.log` file and it mentions the word "blacklisted" through the errors. I have installed the package `bcwml-kernel-source`, have tried restarting multiple times, as well as installing all available updates (through a wired connection). I've also updated apt and tried reinstalling the package. Has anyone got a solution? Thanks, Alex From dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca Sat Mar 27 19:33:06 2010 From: dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca (Deryk Barker) Date: Sat Mar 27 19:32:28 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Ubuntu 9.10 On Mini 10v In-Reply-To: <256c2cb1003271929p461c8da9r342d05251b6e903a@mail.gmail.com> References: <256c2cb1003271929p461c8da9r342d05251b6e903a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BAEBFE2.6090707@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> Alex Blackie wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 in a partition on my Dell Mini 10v, and can't get > the wireless drivers to work. I installed the driver, but when I go to > activate it, it throws me a failure message. I check the > `/var/log/jockey.log` file and it mentions the word "blacklisted" through > the errors. > > I have installed the package `bcwml-kernel-source`, have tried restarting > multiple times, as well as installing all available updates (through a wired > connection). I've also updated apt and tried reinstalling the package. > You presumably have a Broadcom chipset. One question: do you have the firmware? I don't recall if Ubuntu comes with or not. deryk From jabfield at shaw.ca Sat Mar 27 20:01:32 2010 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Sat Mar 27 20:01:34 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Ubuntu 9.10 On Mini 10v In-Reply-To: <256c2cb1003271929p461c8da9r342d05251b6e903a@mail.gmail.com> References: <256c2cb1003271929p461c8da9r342d05251b6e903a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BAEC68C.4020703@shaw.ca> You need the 'wl' driver for the Broadcom BCM4312 wireless card. I believe that this is in the Ubuntu 9.10 repository somewhere. Make sure you have the "restricted software" thingee checked because its proprietary (I think). Install a source package (bcwml-kernel-source) probably won't help unless you plan to build the a driver. Do a search with Synaptic package manager for 'wl' or Broadcom. John On 27/03/10 19:29, Alex Blackie wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 in a partition on my Dell Mini 10v, and can't get > the wireless drivers to work. I installed the driver, but when I go to > activate it, it throws me a failure message. I check the > `/var/log/jockey.log` file and it mentions the word "blacklisted" through > the errors. > > I have installed the package `bcwml-kernel-source`, have tried restarting > multiple times, as well as installing all available updates (through a wired > connection). I've also updated apt and tried reinstalling the package. > > Has anyone got a solution? > > Thanks, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > From rgsteele at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 11:09:54 2010 From: rgsteele at gmail.com (Ryan Steele) Date: Tue Mar 30 12:02:28 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Murray Strome wrote: > I have far too many fonts installed, but I don't know how to find the few I would like to have. > > Right now I have tons of sans serif fonts, like Arial, Verdana sans, DejaVu sans, etc. I also have a lot of serif fonts, like Times New Roman. As well, many mono fonts. I am not sure which of these are best, but I certainly cannot see why I need them all! > > However, I am missing some artistic ones that I would like: > A few really nice script styles (about the best I can find is URW ChanceryA really good "old English" style font, like the one often used as the banner of some newspapers like the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/?? -- "Justice" on windows is the closest I have been able to find, but it really isn't very good. > Some artistic fonts, like the ones that often start children's movies with something like: "Once upon a time ....." on a parchment scroll. > Any suggestions as to how to remove a lot of the fonts which are almost duplicates of the more common ones (do I just delete from the fonts directory?). > > More important, how can I find the (free) unique ones that I would like, and install them? > > Thanks for your suggestions. I have tried Google, but as usual, I get too much useless information and too little of help. > > Murray > Hi Murray, You're running Ubuntu, right? I did a Google search for "ubuntu fonts" and came up with the following link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts This page appears to answer most of your questions -- it provides two methods of installing fonts (using the package manager and manually), and also lists a number of locations where free fonts may be obtained. To build on what Alan said, be aware that many of the fonts that are installed on your computer are required by the applications that you have installed. If you remove them, these applications may stop working. Just because you can't see why you need all those fonts doesn't mean you don't need them! -- Ryan Steele - rgsteele@gmail.com From krysiakh at hotmail.com Tue Mar 30 15:05:39 2010 From: krysiakh at hotmail.com (Krystyna Haberek) Date: Tue Mar 30 15:26:37 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? In-Reply-To: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm looking for a job in Victoria since one year. I have membership in all organizations in Victoria. I don?t have high demands. I just want to work in my profession. I can?t understand what is going on in all this. Each company requires different qualifications and experiences but I am able to adapt to each company within a week. I would like to be in Victoria on a permanent but how long can I look for a job in Victoria? I am interested in any type of work (part- time, contract or full time also on weekends,). Currently I work with volunteering, and I can start work immediately. I?m a seasoned Systems Administrator/Coordinator/Analyst with 15 years of solid experience with Unix (SCO System V, SCO Open Server 5.0.7, System V Release 3, SVR4, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Sun Solaris 5.10 and Nevada (JDS) Solaris 5.11) and GNU/Linux ( Debian, Red Hat, S.u.S.E., Mandrake)) and Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition, Windows XP, VISTA, and WINDOWS 7. Throughout my work history I worked closely with Enterprise Architects, Data Architects, Business Analysts, Database Administrators, Storage Analyst, Application Developers, Project Managers and others as required in order to coordinate the system architectures and implementations. Actively participate in courses in the Storage, VMware, and VoIP Asterix. I feel that my qualifications, knowledge and experience can be of great benefit to all company. I will be grateful for any help and assistance. Krystyna All additional information including references and resume I can send by email: Krystyna Haberek krysiakh@hotmail.com cell: 250-686-7963 http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/krystyna-haberek/7/a42/83b _________________________________________________________________ Live connected with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712958 From darren at darrenduncan.net Tue Mar 30 15:36:22 2010 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Tue Mar 30 15:45:23 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? In-Reply-To: References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4BB27CE5.7060609@darrenduncan.net> I assume that you've looked at http://www.viatec.ca/jobs.aspx already? That's the first place I look for local opportunities. -- Darren Duncan Krystyna Haberek wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm looking for a job in Victoria > since one year. I have membership in all organizations in Victoria. I don?t > have high demands. I just want to work in my profession. I can?t > understand what is going on in all this. Each company requires > different qualifications and experiences but I am able to adapt to each company > within a week. I would like to > be in Victoria on a permanent but how long can I look for a job in Victoria? > I am interested in any type of work (part- time, contract or full time also on > weekends,). Currently I work with volunteering, and I can start work > immediately. > > > > I?m a > seasoned Systems Administrator/Coordinator/Analyst with 15 years of solid > experience with Unix (SCO System V, SCO > Open Server 5.0.7, System V Release 3, SVR4, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Sun Solaris 5.10 > and Nevada (JDS) Solaris 5.11) and GNU/Linux > ( Debian, Red Hat, S.u.S.E., Mandrake)) and Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise > Edition, Windows XP, VISTA, and WINDOWS 7. Throughout my work history I worked > closely with Enterprise Architects, Data Architects, Business Analysts, Database > Administrators, Storage Analyst, Application Developers, Project Managers and > others as required in order to coordinate the system architectures and > implementations. Actively > participate in courses in the Storage, VMware, and VoIP Asterix. > > > > I feel that my qualifications, knowledge and > experience can be of great benefit to all company. > > > > I > will be grateful for any help and assistance. > > Krystyna > > > > > All additional information including > references and resume I can send by email: > > Krystyna > Haberek > > krysiakh@hotmail.com > > cell: > 250-686-7963 > > http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/krystyna-haberek/7/a42/83b From krysiakh at hotmail.com Tue Mar 30 16:54:37 2010 From: krysiakh at hotmail.com (Krystyna Haberek) Date: Tue Mar 30 17:02:06 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? In-Reply-To: <4BB27CE5.7060609@darrenduncan.net> References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca>, , <4BB27CE5.7060609@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: Hi , Every day I send my resume as soon as a new job. I used up all the possibilities. Here is another problem. In Victoria count only the contacts and the Canadian experience ! I don't have work because I don't have the required experience and vice verse, there is no experience so I haven't job. So I'm looking for any help and advice on what to do to find that first job. I have a good volunteering but at Windows. I have a good volunteering at Windows but it does not have an required certificate, only one course in Toronto - Windows 2008 Security. All I have is a UNIX and Linux and I have no experience in Canada. In BC Ferries only 2 weeks work experience. I have great knowledge but for Canadian companies is not enough. I need a company where I could do some work for the experience and references and I think that my knowledge of each of these companies that gained a lot for free. Will there be such a company in Victoria, which would give me such an entry to start. I'm looking for such assistance. The worst is always the first to find a job in Canada. I work every day and on weekends assist with projects and help solve problems. I am open to any proposal. I am open to any suggestion and I will be grateful for any help and assistance. Thanks, Krystyna Krystyna Haberek krysiakh@hotmail.com cell: 250.686.7963 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:36:22 -0700 From: darren@darrenduncan.net To: discuss@vlug.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? I assume that you've looked at http://www.viatec.ca/jobs.aspx already? That's the first place I look for local opportunities. -- Darren Duncan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Krystyna Haberek wrote: Hi everyone, I'm looking for a job in Victoria since one year. I have membership in all organizations in Victoria. I don?t have high demands. I just want to work in my profession. I can?t understand what is going on in all this. Each company requires different qualifications and experiences but I am able to adapt to each company within a week. I would like to be in Victoria on a permanent but how long can I look for a job in Victoria? I am interested in any type of work (part- time, contract or full time also on weekends,). Currently I work with volunteering, and I can start work immediately. I?m a seasoned Systems Administrator/Coordinator/Analyst with 15 years of solid experience with Unix (SCO System V, SCO Open Server 5.0.7, System V Release 3, SVR4, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Sun Solaris 5.10 and Nevada (JDS) Solaris 5.11) and GNU/Linux ( Debian, Red Hat, S.u.S.E., Mandrake)) and Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition, Windows XP, VISTA, and WINDOWS 7. Throughout my work history I worked closely with Enterprise Architects, Data Architects, Business Analysts, Database Administrators, Storage Analyst, Application Developers, Project Managers and others as required in order to coordinate the system architectures and implementations. Actively participate in courses in the Storage, VMware, and VoIP Asterix. I feel that my qualifications, knowledge and experience can be of great benefit to all company. I will be grateful for any help and assistance. Krystyna All additional information including references and resume I can send by email: Krystyna Haberek krysiakh@hotmail.com cell: 250-686-7963 http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/krystyna-haberek/7/a42/83b _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss _________________________________________________________________ IM on the go with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712960 From krysiakh at hotmail.com Tue Mar 30 17:33:05 2010 From: krysiakh at hotmail.com (Krystyna Haberek) Date: Tue Mar 30 17:33:09 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? In-Reply-To: References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca>, , , , <4BB27CE5.7060609@darrenduncan.net>, Message-ID: I just wanted to add that I have my own company and I can be self-employed and contracts. KH > From: krysiakh@hotmail.com > To: discuss@vlug.org > Subject: RE: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:54:37 -0400 > > Hi , Every day I send my resume as soon as a new job. I used up all the possibilities. Here is another problem. In Victoria count only the contacts and the Canadian experience ! I don't have work because I don't have the required experience and vice verse, there is no experience so I haven't job. So I'm looking for any help and advice on what to do to find that first job. I have a good volunteering but at Windows. I have a good volunteering at Windows but it does not have an required certificate, only one course in Toronto - Windows 2008 Security. All I have is a UNIX and Linux and I have no experience in Canada. In BC Ferries only 2 weeks work experience. I have great knowledge but for Canadian companies is not enough. I need a company where I could do some work for the experience and references and I think that my knowledge of each of these companies that gained a lot for free. Will there be such a company in Victoria, which would give me such an entry to start. I'm looking for such assistance. The worst is always the first to find a job in Canada. I work every day and on weekends assist with projects and help solve problems. I am open to any proposal. I am open to any suggestion and I will be grateful for any help and assistance. Thanks, Krystyna > > Krystyna Haberek > krysiakh@hotmail.com > cell: 250.686.7963 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:36:22 -0700 > From: darren@darrenduncan.net > To: discuss@vlug.org > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? > I assume that you've looked at http://www.viatec.ca/jobs.aspx already? That's > the first place I look for local opportunities. -- Darren Duncan > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Krystyna Haberek wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for a job in Victoria since one year. I have membership in all organizations in Victoria. I don?t have high demands. I just want to work in my profession. I can?t understand what is going on in all this. Each company requires different qualifications and experiences but I am able to adapt to each company within a week. I would like to be in Victoria on a permanent but how long can I look for a job in Victoria? I am interested in any type of work (part- time, contract or full time also on weekends,). Currently I work with volunteering, and I can start work > immediately. > > I?m a seasoned Systems Administrator/Coordinator/Analyst with 15 years of solid experience with Unix (SCO System V, SCO Open Server 5.0.7, System V Release 3, SVR4, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Sun Solaris 5.10 and Nevada (JDS) Solaris 5.11) and GNU/Linux ( Debian, Red Hat, S.u.S.E., Mandrake)) and Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition, Windows XP, VISTA, and WINDOWS 7. Throughout my work history I worked closely with Enterprise Architects, Data Architects, Business Analysts, Database Administrators, Storage Analyst, Application Developers, Project Managers and others as required in order to coordinate the system architectures and implementations. Actively participate in courses in the Storage, VMware, and VoIP Asterix. > > I feel that my qualifications, knowledge and experience can be of great benefit to all company. > > I will be grateful for any help and assistance. > > Krystyna > > All additional information including > references and resume I can send by email: > Krystyna Haberek > > krysiakh@hotmail.com > cell: 250-686-7963 > > http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/krystyna-haberek/7/a42/83b > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@vlug.org > > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _________________________________________________________________ > IM on the go with Messenger on your phone > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712960_______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 From agutowski at shaw.ca Tue Mar 30 18:49:45 2010 From: agutowski at shaw.ca (Alexander gutowski) Date: Tue Mar 30 18:49:48 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? In-Reply-To: <4BB27CE5.7060609@darrenduncan.net> References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca> <4BB27CE5.7060609@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: <201003301849.45958.agutowski@shaw.ca> Have you tried applying at VIHA's Computer Division. On Tuesday 30 March 2010 03:36:22 pm Darren Duncan wrote: > I assume that you've looked at http://www.viatec.ca/jobs.aspx already? > That's the first place I look for local opportunities. -- Darren Duncan > > Krystyna Haberek wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > I'm looking for a job in Victoria > > since one year. I have membership in all organizations in Victoria. I > > don?t have high demands. I just want to work in my profession. I can?t > > understand what is going on in all this. Each company requires > > different qualifications and experiences but I am able to adapt to each > > company within a week. I would like to > > be in Victoria on a permanent but how long can I look for a job in > > Victoria? I am interested in any type of work (part- time, contract or > > full time also on weekends,). Currently I work with volunteering, and I > > can start work immediately. > > > > > > > > I?m a > > seasoned Systems Administrator/Coordinator/Analyst with 15 years of solid > > experience with Unix (SCO System V, SCO > > Open Server 5.0.7, System V Release 3, SVR4, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Sun > > Solaris 5.10 and Nevada (JDS) Solaris 5.11) and GNU/Linux > > ( Debian, Red Hat, S.u.S.E., Mandrake)) and Windows Server 2003 R2 > > Enterprise Edition, Windows XP, VISTA, and WINDOWS 7. Throughout my work > > history I worked closely with Enterprise Architects, Data Architects, > > Business Analysts, Database Administrators, Storage Analyst, Application > > Developers, Project Managers and others as required in order to > > coordinate the system architectures and implementations. Actively > > participate in courses in the Storage, VMware, and VoIP Asterix. > > > > > > > > I feel that my qualifications, knowledge and > > experience can be of great benefit to all company. > > > > > > > > I > > will be grateful for any help and assistance. > > > > Krystyna > > > > > > > > > > All additional information including > > references and resume I can send by email: > > > > Krystyna > > Haberek > > > > krysiakh@hotmail.com > > > > cell: > > 250-686-7963 > > > > http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/krystyna-haberek/7/a42/83b > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From takodono at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 17:34:36 2010 From: takodono at gmail.com (Jeremy Kiffiak) Date: Tue Mar 30 19:20:28 2010 Subject: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? In-Reply-To: References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca>, , <4BB27CE5.7060609@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: <9D76663F-7262-4EA5-A3FE-79DCDAC97E36@gmail.com> Krystyna Hello. My name is Jeremy and I am a co-owner in a small local IT =20 business. We are still currently growing our company but have a number =20= of ideas and directions we would like to expand in. Currently my =20 business partner is out of town visiting family. He will be returning =20= in a week or so and I can discuss with him at that time your =20 situation. It would be great to have someone with your knowledge and =20 skill on our team. Unfortunately because of the current economic =20 situation business has slowed down quite a bit. Regardless, if you can =20= be patient a little longer perhaps we can arrange something that would =20= be good for both of us. In the meantime please check out our companies website and email me =20 your resume. Questions are also welcome. Sincerely, Jeremy Sent from my iPhone On 2010-03-31, at 8:54, Krystyna Haberek wrote: > > Hi , > > Every day I send my resume as soon as a > new job. I > used up all the possibilities. Here is another > problem. In Victoria count only the contacts and the Canadian =20 > experience ! > > I don't have work because I don't have the > required experience > and vice verse, > there is no experience so I haven't job. So I'm looking for any =20 > help and advice > on what to do to find that first job. > > I > have a good volunteering but at Windows. I have a good volunteering =20= > at Windows but it does not > have an required certificate, only one course in Toronto - Windows =20 > 2008 > Security. > All I > have is a UNIX and Linux and I have no experience in Canada. In BC =20 > Ferries > only 2 weeks work experience. I have great knowledge but for =20 > Canadian companies is > not enough. > > I need a company where I could do some work for the experience and =20 > references and I think that my knowledge of each of these companies =20= > that gained a lot for free. > > Will there be such a company in Victoria, which would give me such =20 > an entry to start. I'm looking for such assistance. The worst is =20 > always the first to find a job in Canada. > > I > work every day and on weekends assist with projects and help solve =20 > problems. I am > open to any proposal. I am > open to any suggestion and I > will be grateful for any help and assistance. > > > > Thanks, > > Krystyna > > Krystyna Haberek > krysiakh@hotmail.com > cell: 250.686.7963 > > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:36:22 -0700 > From: darren@darrenduncan.net > To: discuss@vlug.org > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field =20 > of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? > I assume that you've looked at http://www.viatec.ca/jobs.aspx =20 > already? That's > the first place I look for local opportunities. -- Darren Duncan > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Krystyna Haberek wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for a job in Victoria since one year. I have membership =20= > in all organizations in Victoria. I don=81ft have high demands. I = just=20 > want to work in my profession. I can=81ft understand what is going = on=20 > in all this. Each company requires different qualifications and ex=20= > periences but I am able to adapt to each company within a week. I w=20= > ould like to be in Victoria on a permanent but how long can I look =20= > for a job in Victoria? I am interested in any type of work (part- ti=20= > me, contract or full time also on weekends,). Currently I work with =20= > volunteering, and I can start work > immediately. > > I=81fm a seasoned Systems Administrator/Coordinator/Analyst with 15 = yea=20 > rs of solid experience with Unix (SCO System V, SCO Open Server 5.0=20= > .7, System V Release 3, SVR4, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Sun Solaris 5.10 =20= > and Nevada (JDS) Solaris 5.11) and GNU/Linux ( Debian, Red Hat, S.u.=20= > S.E., Mandrake)) and Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition, Win=20= > dows XP, VISTA, and WINDOWS 7. Throughout my work history I worked c=20= > losely with Enterprise Architects, Data Architects, Business Analyst=20= > s, Database Administrators, Storage Analyst, Application Developers=20= > , Project Managers and others as required in order to coordinate the=20= > system architectures and implementations. Actively participate in c=20= > ourses in the Storage, VMware, and VoIP Asterix. > > I feel that my qualifications, knowledge and experience can be of =20 > great benefit to all company. > > I will be grateful for any help and assistance. > > Krystyna > > All additional information including > references and resume I can send by email: > Krystyna Haberek > > krysiakh@hotmail.com > cell: 250-686-7963 > > http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/krystyna-haberek/7/a42/83b > _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _________________________________________________________________ > IM on the go with Messenger on your phone > = http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9712960_________________________________= ______________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From krysiakh at hotmail.com Wed Mar 31 00:25:04 2010 From: krysiakh at hotmail.com (Krystyna Haberek) Date: Wed Mar 31 00:25:06 2010 Subject: FW: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? In-Reply-To: <9D76663F-7262-4EA5-A3FE-79DCDAC97E36@gmail.com> References: <4B97CDCB.6080000@shaw.ca>, , , , <4BB27CE5.7060609@darrenduncan.net>, , <9D76663F-7262-4EA5-A3FE-79DCDAC97E36@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeremy, Thank you very much for your email and I'll wait patiently for news. I've visited your website www.truesolutions.ca and I'm interested in working in projects that offer especially the IP Phone Systems. I am interested in Asterisk and connections to applications which gives greater scope for action. I'm an active person and have many initiatives. My profession requires teamwork and I am looking for a company in which the friendly atmosphere contribute to the development. Thanks Jeremy, and we will be in touch. Krystyna > From: takodono@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:34:36 +0900 > CC: discuss@vlug.org; ron@truesolutions.ca > > Krystyna > > Hello. My name is Jeremy and I am a co-owner in a small local IT business. We are still currently growing our company but have a number > of ideas and directions we would like to expand in. Currently my business partner is out of town visiting family. He will be returning > in a week or so and I can discuss with him at that time your situation. It would be great to have someone with your knowledge and > skill on our team. Unfortunately because of the current economic situation business has slowed down quite a bit. Regardless, if you can > be patient a little longer perhaps we can arrange something that would be good for both of us. > > In the meantime please check out our companies website and email me your resume. Questions are also welcome. > > Sincerely, > > Jeremy > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2010-03-31, at 8:54, Krystyna Haberek wrote: > > > > > Hi , > > > > Every day I send my resume as soon as a new job. I used up all the possibilities. Here is another problem. In Victoria count only the contacts and the Canadian > > experience ! > > > > I don't have work because I don't have the required experience and vice verse, there is no experience so I haven't job. So I'm looking for any help and advice > > on what to do to find that first job. I have a good volunteering but at Windows. I have a good volunteering at Windows but it does not have an required certificate, only one course in Toronto - Windows 2008 Security. All I have is a UNIX and Linux and I have no experience in Canada. In BC Ferries only 2 weeks work experience. I have great knowledge but for Canadian companies is not enough. > > > > I need a company where I could do some work for the experience and references and I think that my knowledge of each of these companies that gained a lot for free. > > > > Will there be such a company in Victoria, which would give me such an entry to start. I'm looking for such assistance. The worst is always the first to find a job in Canada. > > > > I can work every day and on weekends assist with projects and help solve problems. I am open to any suggestion and proposal, and I will be grateful for any help and assistance. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Krystyna > > > > Krystyna Haberek > > krysiakh@hotmail.com > > cell: 250.686.7963 > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:36:22 -0700 > > From: darren@darrenduncan.net > > To: discuss@vlug.org > > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Can someone help me find a job in the field > > of IT Technology in Victoria, BC? > > I assume that you've looked at http://www.viatec.ca/jobs.aspx > > already? That's > > the first place I look for local opportunities. -- Darren Duncan > > --- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Krystyna Haberek wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm looking for a job in Victoria since one year. I have membership > > in all organizations in Victoria. I don?t have high demands. I just > > want to work in my profession. I can?t understand what is going on > > in all this. Each company requires different qualifications and ex > > periences but I am able to adapt to each company within a week. I w > > ould like to be in Victoria on a permanent but how long can I look > > for a job in Victoria? I am interested in any type of work (part- ti > > me, contract or full time also on weekends,). Currently I work with > > volunteering, and I can start work > > immediately. > > > > I?m a seasoned Systems Administrator/Coordinator/Analyst with 15 yea > > rs of solid experience with Unix (SCO System V, SCO Open Server 5.0 > > .7, System V Release 3, SVR4, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Sun Solaris 5.10 > > and Nevada (JDS) Solaris 5.11) and GNU/Linux ( Debian, Red Hat, S.u. > > S.E., Mandrake)) and Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition, Win > > dows XP, VISTA, and WINDOWS 7. Throughout my work history I worked c > > losely with Enterprise Architects, Data Architects, Business Analyst > > s, Database Administrators, Storage Analyst, Application Developers > > , Project Managers and others as required in order to coordinate the > > system architectures and implementations. Actively participate in c > > ourses in the Storage, VMware, and VoIP Asterix. > > > > I feel that my qualifications, knowledge and experience can be of > > great benefit to all company. > > > > I will be grateful for any help and assistance. > > > > Krystyna > > > > All additional information including > > references and resume I can send by email: > > Krystyna Haberek > > > > krysiakh@hotmail.com > > cell: 250-686-7963 > > > > http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/krystyna-haberek/7/a42/83b > > _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> Discuss@vlug.org > >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > Take your contacts everywhere. 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