[Discuss] Debian versus Ubuntu

[Brij Charan]

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Gotta love it when someone starts a thread with a subject line like this...

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On 10/26/07, Alan W. Irwin <irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca> wrote:
>
> On 2007-10-26 15:21-0700 Lloyd Budd wrote:
>
> > On 10/25/07, Alan W. Irwin <irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca> wrote:
> >> it is substantial extra work for me (mostly during the install
> >> phase, but still it delayed the Ubuntu install substantially for me) to
> >> expose the control I want on Ubuntu.
> >
> > That seems reason enough -- although of course I was hoping my
> > argument of using the same tools as the larger audience would carry
> > the day ;-)
> >
> > Aside, what sort of control do you expose? (Sorry, if there is already
> > a thread on this, just point me at it)
>
> * I like KDE because it gives a lot more control options than GNOME.  In
> other words, I agree completely with Linus's objections to the dumbing
> down
> of GNOME. This is relevant to Ubuntu because KDE still feels like a
> second-class citizen there.  I will change my mind about that when someone
> gives me hard numbers about there being roughly equal monetary support for
> Ubuntu workers that support GNOME versus those that support KDE.  In the
> old
> days the KDE Ubuntu (Kubuntu) support was mostly volunteer.  The question
> is
> whether that situation has changed radically so a substantial number of
> paid
> Ubuntu employess are working on the KDE side of things?  In contrast, KDE
> feels like a first-class citizen for Debian.
>
> * With Ubuntu, I had to take some extraordinary measures to replace the
> dumbed-down KDE displayconfig module with the tried and true KDE kcontrol
> module.  It's possible KDE has also caught the dumb-down fever and
> is really replacing kcontrol with displayconfig.  OTOH, it may be that
> Ubuntu specially selected displayconfig because it exposed less
> information
> and gave users less control.  I will know the answer to this when I try
> KDE for Debian testing.
>
> * I like to use the root account rather than sudo
>
> * I like to use the startx method of starting KDE rather than having it
> start automatically from one of gdm, kdm, or xdm.  This is important when
> you are not quite sure about the x.org compatibility of your video
> chipset.
>
> * The Ubuntu install has much more limited options than the Debian
> install.
> If you have main-stream equipment where you can just install from a
> bootable
> CD it doesn't matter, but I had a non-bootable scsi CD situation which
> made
> the Ubuntu install much more difficult for me.
>
> I remember being pretty bugged at the time so I assume there were several
> more Ubuntu install issues that I just cannot remember now.
>
> I believe Ubuntu is doing some really good fundamental stuff that should
> benefit all of Linux such as their new initialization system.  Also the
> pressure the large numbers of new Ubuntu users put on hardware
> manufacturers
> to cooperate with Linux rather than ignoring it is great. So Debian
> benefits
> from Ubuntu in this general sense as well as from specific direct positive
> interactions between Debian and Ubuntu packagers. Furthermore, most/all of
> the Ubuntu quirks that bug me can be worked around with some extra effort
> at
> install time.  Nevertheless, as an experienced, long-time Linux user, I am
> just more comfortable with the Debian install defaults so that is what I
> plan to stick to for this forthcoming install.
>
> Well, you did ask... :-)
>
> Alan
> __________________________
> Alan W. Irwin
>
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> Astronomy,
> University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca).
>
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> for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting
> software
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> (lbproject.sf.net).
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